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Hi Prophecy Countdown,

I don't think I have run into anyone on christian forums before who have rambled quite as bad as you do. I really don't know what to reply to. Let's go back to a thread a long ways back and deal with this and then move on from there. It does no good to answer your questions if you just ignore them and go off on some new tangent.

So here: You wanted me to consider that certain verses referred to the 'time of the end.'

(copied from an old post)
Yes,but at the time of what end, so I laid out a verse which shows you when the end was.
Hebrews 9
26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The end of the ages.....the first coming was at the 'end of the ages....

Somewhere in the 10 pages you said this:

Justme, you must open your eyes, the seventh trumpet in Rev 11 occurs at the FIRST RESURRECTION AT THE TIME OF THE END, that is not back in 70AD.
The timing is not within the 2300 evening and morning period when “ALL these WONDERS WILL BE FINISHED.”
I know this is dragging on a bit but I must insert Daniel 12 here because it is so important and clear for those who simply wish to read what THE Bible says. That is why Jesus mentioned Daniel to the Disciples concerning the end of the age which HE associated with HIS second advent.
The two go hand in hand, together, during the same time period of “2300 evening and morning.”

In all of this you said basically nothing. Sorry. More is required than just your considered opinion that it isn't 70 AD, we need scripture that says that.

The verse in question is:
26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Questions:

1)When did Christ appear to do away with sin?
2)How did He do away with sin?
3)When did Christ do what He did to do away with sin?

You need not look any further than this very verse, the answers are right in there. You rambled on about using the truth of the bible and how the word of God is all that matters. So now answer these simple questions from the God inspired Hebrews chapter 9 verse 26.

At the risk of setting off another severe ramble I will bring up two more of your points.

Generation....wouldn't it be nice if we knew what people of biblical times meant exactly by certain terms and phrases? In fact it would really be nice if we knew exactly what Mattew meant by the word 'generation.' Gee, we do!!!!!!! Matthew 1:17 tells us all about it and I think some one worked it out to 40-42 years as well. Don't even TRY to feed in some ficticious meaning on Matthews meaning of 'generation.' I'll never swallow stuff like that!!!

I can't find it in this horde of posts, but I am sure you said that the gospel has not been preached all over wherever in biblical times.

I don't think I have to put up the verses that contradict you here, I'm sure everybody reading this has them memorized. What are you trying to pull here? Surely things this straight forward is common knowledge here, isn't it?

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Hi CK Blue,

From your post:

The abomination of desolation (in my belief) is the ceasing of the worship of Christ in this world.

It is your right to believe that as far as I know, but what leads you to that belief?

The abomination must appear in the holy place. The 'holy place' is in the temple. (both the old and the new temples)
Hebrews 9
2A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand, the table and the consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place.

There is no longer any 'holy place' for an abomination that causes desolation to appear in. The holy temple is now in Heaven, :

11When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,[2] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation

AND

24For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence.

How is an abomination that causes desolation going to get in Heaven to APPEAR at all and if it did, how would people from Judea SEE it?

These are just questions I have for you from the bible that I don't see fitting your ideas very well. Comments?

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CK Blue said:
The dome of the rock is an evil, blasphemous thing.
I am amazed by Gods patience.

Do you know what is carved in every wall, on each side of the dome of the rock?
Jesus is not the son of God.

Frightening, isn't it?

The abomination of desolation (in my belief) is the ceasing of the worship of Christ in this world.

Because we are told, "when ye shall SEE Jerusalem compassed with armies >>know that the DESOLATION is nigh".

I had always thought this to be physical armies, tanks, etc. but I was wrong.

We are told that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES.

Is this Jerusalem an ancient city or something more?

Remember, He spoke to us in parables.

Should we be looking outward for signs?
Behold the kingdom of heaven is within you.

The TEMPLE of God, is our own special place with him. It was made at our creation.

And this temple shall be violated and corrupted when satan 'SITS IN THE TEMPLE SHOWING HIMSELF TO BE GOD".

How else could he do that, but through creating a human life through science.

Imagine; cloning children, creating humans by altered DNA. Impossible? Nope. It is already being tackled in laboratories throughout the world.

What a more convincing way of disproving the bible, and God, in such a manner.

It is coming.


Your post raises very good points. Millions are totally lost regarding the wisdom of God and Christ.

Millions are repeating the same materialistic type interpretations regarding outward or physical or old issues and lands repeating themselves in prophecy.

This statement is VERY VERY IMPORTANT
Behold the kingdom of heaven is within you.
but I know some who say, well Christ still has a materialistic kingdom to deliver to some chosen group.

THE STATEMENT ON JERUSALEM IS VERY MYSTERIOUS.
JESUS IS VERY DYNAMIC AND ALWAYS MOVES FROM 1 STAGE TO A BIGGER STAGE.

The lust for wealth and the desire for riches that people place over Christ blinds them to the truth of the Bible and results in people making their own interpretations.

JESUS INITIALLY WENT THROUGH A STAGE WHERE HE SAID HE CAME FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL--- he focused on them.

Then He gave instructions for all nations to be baptised and for Gospel to be taken to the entire Planet Matthew 28:18-20

JESUS IS NOT A STATIC one way traffic teacher. The WORD OF GOD is Global and JERUSALEM in view of Christ's progress in time, IS A JERUSALEM NOT RESTRICTED
TO THE NEW TESTAMENT JERUSALEM. Jesus's entire POST RESURRECTION life was one in which humans KEPT GOING BACK OR LOOKING BACK AND WOULD BE TOLD BY EITHER JESUS OR ANGELS TO LOOK FORWARD--- DO NOT LOOK BACK WITH JESUS

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT MATTHEW 28:1-8

THEY WERE LOOKING BACK--- THEY WENT TO THE TOMB OF CHRIST

THE ANGEL ASKED THEM WHY THEY WERE LOOKING FOR HIM THERE -- HE IS NOT HERE

GO TO GALILEE, GO ELSEWHERE FOR THIS IS OVER

DO NOT LOOK BACK AND LOOK FOR JESUS IN PLACES WHERE HE EXISTED IN THE PAST

AND IT MAY NOT BE WISE TO ASSOCIATE inanimate past issues and places with Christ

THE WORD OF GOD IS BIGGER THAN THE PAST

JERUSALEM IS A MYSTERY----- and those events in the future WILL NOT TRANSPIRE in the similar way as 70AD times etc.

NO ONE SEEKS GOD IN A PHYSICAL TEMPLE TODAY---- why would a Temple be made desolate with AN ABOMINATION IF THE TEMPLE ITSELF IS NOT A FOCUS OF CHRISTIANS?

CHRISTIANS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH PHYSICAL BUILT TEMPLES for God is not impressed by such human attempts to glorify him using human theories.

IF A TEMPLE WERE BUILT BY JEWS, it would be an insignificant issue BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE A HOLY PLACE--- GOD IS NOT WORSHIPPED IN TEMPLES IN THE 21ST century.

Where 2 or 3 are gathered I can assure you that God is there--PERIOD.

I MEAN IF GOD WAS TO BE WORSHIPPED IN A TEMPLE AND INTENDED US TO BUILD A TEMPLE , THEN WHY HAVE CHRISTIAN NATIONS WITH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF FOLLOWERS NOT BUILT TEMPLES ALL OVER THE WORLD.

THE BIBLE must be read and properly understood and many of these end time sayings are not going to be replayed like a movie matching some script.

The closest is the Vatican and that is no special temple in that sense FOR MANY CATHEDRALS EXIST ALL OVER THE WORLD.

WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF A TEMPLE IN THE 21ST CENTURY WHEN GOD HAS DESTROYED THE STRUCTURE EXISTING WITH MOSES AND KING DAVID ETC.

If God needed temples, He would have MAINTAINED THE KNOW HOW OF AARON, THE LEVITICAL PRIESTS, THE KOHATHITES ETC

GOD DESTROYED ALL THAT BY SMASHING THE OLD ISRAEL-JUDAH PEOPLES using other Pagans etc.

So since when did God tell us that HE NEEDED A TEMPLE, WHEN GOD MAKES IT CLEAR THAT HUMANS CANNOT BUILD A TEMPLE IN THESE TIMES TO SATISFY HIM


THE CONCEPTS OF EVOLUTION [- A VERY DANGEROUS DEADLY BLASPHEMY]
CLONING
CERTAIN SCIENTIFIC ATTEMPTS TO PROVE THE NON EXISTENCE OF GOD
SCIENTIFIC ATTEMPTS TO DENIGRATE THE TRUTH AND VERACITY OF THE BIBLE

INTELLECTUAL AND SO CALLED ACADEMIC PAGANISM, INTELLECTUAL SATANISM AND EXTREME INTELLECTUAL ATHEISM

THESE ARE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE STAND UP WITH ALL CONFIDENCE AND DISPUTE GOD DIRECTLY

WE NEED NOT LOOK FURTHER-- FOR MAN EVEN THINKS OF COLONISING SPACE FOR HE KNOWS ALL AND THERE IS NO GOD.

There are many mysteries ahead--- AND JERUSALEM IS GOING TO BE A SURPRISE

21ST CENTURY WARS ARE NOT DESCRIBED explicitly in the Bible

Surrounded by armies as applied to the 21st century could have a wide range of meanings.
 
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Justme;

I would like to try and answer your questions in the following way:

If I were to ask you (and please think on this) where in this entire world, is there a HOLY PLACE?
Holy meaning; undefiled, pure, intimate with God.

Would you choose a geographical answer; such as Israel, Jerusalem or perhaps a cathedral, or even a church. This is important.

There is only one answer and it comes from understanding what Jesus meant when he warned against christians seeking outward for His presence:

When they say, Lo he is in the desert, go not forth.
Lo, he is in the secret chambers, believe it not.

FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS WITHIN YOU.

The 'TEMPLE" of God, is not a physical place, an ancient ruin, or a future worshipping structure.

Remember how Jesus was misunderstood when he said, I will raise up this temple in three days.
He was speaking of his own body.
Our bodies are the temple of God.

The disciples teach us that our bodies are the members of Christ; I cor 6:19

What? know ye not that YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY GHOST WHICH IS IN YOU, WHICH YE HAVE OF GOD, AND YE ARE NOT YOUR OWN?
fOR YE ARE BOUGHT WITH A PRICE; THEREFORE GLORIFY YOUR BODY AND IN YOUR SPIRIT WHICH ARE GODS.

Satan sought to tamper with life and corrupt it; this is why God first destroyed the earth. Gen 6:
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children unto them, and the same became mighty men which WERE OLD, MEN OF RENOWN.
And God saw that the wickedness of man was GREAT in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY.

You may ask, what does this have to do with anything?
But it is important to understand why God destroyed mankind, saving only Noah and his family.

When satan has his short time here on earth, the "temple of God" shall be corrupted;
This has to do with the creation process.

God created man and woman with a temple called the holy spirit.

Science is working currently to create man from man. Man from animal.
It is wickedness. It is an abomination.

It is playing God in the highest sense. And it will happen.
All in the name of science.

So when ye shall SEE the abomination (detestable thing) that maketh desolate (destroying the believers of God), we are told to RUN.

This is the final straw.

2 Thess 2 Let no man decieve you by any means: for that days hall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
Who OPPOSETH and EXALTETH himself ABOVE ALL THAT IS CALLED GOD. or that is WORSHIPPED; SO THAT HE AS GOD SITTETH IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHEWING HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD.

Science shall be able to create man from man without God; this is the falling away, the abomination that the world shall witness.
 
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Hi CK Blue,

YOU WROTE:

The 'TEMPLE" of God, is not a physical place, an ancient ruin, or a future worshipping structure.
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Exactly. The point I was hoping to illustrate is that because of the fact that the temple is invisible there will never be a chance in the future of the people of Judea ever SEEING the abomination that causes desolation APPEARING in the holy place.

As far as this cloning stuff, I think you're adding a bit. I won't buy any of it, there is too much biblical evidence heading other directions.

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Atkin said:
Atkin quote.
Daniel 11:1-35 etc happened exactly as prophesised but many would not have known for the Bible was not a common text yet, before
the birth of Christ. Hence the events would have happened without many even realising it.
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Seek help from knowledgeable Bible students and get them to explain to you

the events that took place centuries ago regarding the three kings that arose in

Persia

Daniel is NOT restricted to the future and I REPEAT THE FACT that Daniel 11:1-35

has taken place already. There WILL BE NO primitive, foot soldier INFANTRY BATTLES as described with

Daniel 11:5-28 THE KING OF THE NORTH , king of the south, ancient warfare tactics

Were you asleep during the Iraq war?

MISSILES, GUIDED BOMBS, mobile personnel carriers, submarines etc ARE WHAT WILL FEATURE IN ANY FUTURE BATTLES, but the dumb Bible readers just babble and repeat what they see without proper interpretations.

Read Daniel 11:5-29 and tell the forum WHICH ANCIENT ARMIES WOULD FIGHT in such a primitive fashion -- AND AFTER ALEXANDER THE GREAT DIED, only a blank person would not be aware of the EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE IN THE GREEK DOMINIONS after Alexander and in relation to Daniel 11:5-35.

The Bible is not just repeated with no reason but read with discernment since God's wisdom is not on the level of mere mortals.


21st century warfare would not be described as such.... only those with extremely poor interpretation would make such comparisons.

It was ludicrous of you to assume that THE ENTIRE Daniel is sealed up totally till the end.

Certain chapters mentioning judgement as in Daniel 7:9-14 and Daniel 12:1-13 are THOSE YET TO BE FULFILLED. Common sense would make that obvious to anyone. The Ancient of Days only manifests himself at the judgement end time.

Avoid deluding yourself with your meagre scriptural knowledge.
Atkin quote.
Daniel 11:1-35 etc happened exactly as prophesised but many would not have known for the Bible was not a common text yet, before
the birth of Christ. Hence the events would have happened without many even realising it.

Prophecy, prediction, forecast, foretelling future events that are fulfilled at a later time.
The Old Testament writers knew of the end of the world. Nothing new about that fact.

Atkin quote.
Seek help from knowledgeable Bible students and get them to explain to you
the events that took place centuries ago regarding the three kings that arose in
Persia.
Daniel is NOT restricted to the future and I REPEAT THE FACT that Daniel 11:1-35 has taken place already. There WILL BE NO primitive, foot soldier INFANTRY BATTLES as described with Daniel 11:5-28 THE KING OF THE NORTH , king of the south, ancient warfare tactics

My reply. With Bible.
Daniel 11:40. And AT THE TIME OF THE END shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with CHARIOTS, and with HORSEMEN, and with MANY SHIPS; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.


Daniel 11:25. And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall FORCAST DEVICES against him.

Daniel 11:27. And both these kings’ hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: FOR YET THE END shall be AT THE TIME APPOINTED.

Daniel 11:35. And some OF THEM OF UNDERSTANDING shall fall, to TRY THEM, and to purge, and TO MAKE them WHITE, even to the TIME OF THE END: because it is yet for a TIME APPOINTED.

Daniel 11:30.For the SHIPS OF CHITTIM shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Chittim. Modern name Cyprus, where the American third fleet is berthed.

Daniel 11:31. And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and SHALL TAKE AWAY THE DAILY , and they shall PLACE THE ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE.

Rev 11:1. And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But THE COURT WHICH IS WITHOUT THE TEMPLE LEAVE OUT measure it not; for IT IS GIVEN UNTO THE GENTILES: and THE HOLY CITY shall they tread under foot FORTY TWO MONTHS.

Daniel 11 is giving more details of Daniel 8 same time, same event, as it is in Revelation 11.

Daniel 8:11. Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the DAILY WAS TAKEN AWAY, and THE PLACE OF HIS SANCTUARY WAS CAST DOWN.

12.And an host was given him AGAINST THE DAILY by reason of TRANSGRESSION, and it cast down the TRUTH to the GROUND; and it practised, and PROSSPERED.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, HOW LONG shall be the vision concerning the DAILY, and the TRANSGRESSION of DESOLATION, to give both the SANCTUARY and the HOST TO BE TRODDEN UNDERFOOT?

14. And he said unto me, Unto TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED DAYS; THEN SHALL THE SANTUARY SHALL BE CLEANSED.

The Sanctuary was not cleansed in the past.

Atkin quote.
Were you asleep during the Iraq war? MISSILES, GUIDED BOMBS, mobile personnel carriers, submarines etc ARE WHAT WILL FEATURE IN ANY FUTURE BATTLES, but the dumb Bible readers just babble and repeat what they see without proper interpretations.

Daniel 11:44. TIDINGS OUT OF TH EAST and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and UTTERLY TO MAKE AWAY MANY. 45And HE SHALL PLANT THE TABERNACLES of his PALACE between the seas in the glorious HOLY MOUNTAIN; yet he SHALL COME TO HIS END, and none shall help him.

Chapter 12
1And AT THAT TIME SHALL MICHAEL STAND UP, the GREAT PRINCE which standeth for the children of THY PEOPLE: and there shall be a TIME OF TROUBLE, such as never was SINCE THERE WAS A NATION even to that SAME TIME: AND AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, every one that shall be FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

The above will all happens when God’s people are raised with the two witnesses at trumpet number seven.

Isaiah 14:10. All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

11Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I WILL SIT ALSO UPON THE MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION, in the SIDES OF THE NORTH: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
 
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Now to deal with your remarks about “modern warfare.”
How would the Old and New Testament writers describe the following?

Revelation 9:7. And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.


Helicopters look like LOCASTS and SOUND LIKE HORSES pop, pop popping overhead, the pilots have crowns like gold, HELMETS, through the GOLD LIKE SHIELDS we see the faces of the pilots, THE FACES MEN.


Helicopters that have teeth, WHITE MISSILES, the EXHAUST VAPOUR. that Looks like a WOMAN’S HAIR.

8And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

Metal, (aluminium) that looks like Iron again they sound like horses hoofs galloping into battle their wings, pop, pop popping. They ARE CALLED THE AIR CAVALRY!

9And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

HELICOPTERS would look like scorpions so that is what John would have called them. Helicopters can fire missiles from the back, or tails as John would call them.

10And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.


11And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. 12One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

How would the prophets explain the modern weaponry of today they would use the word swords because how would folk understand until recently what it meant to use an AK 47 assault rifle or air to air missiles or ground to air missiles?

Atkin quote.
Read Daniel 11:5-29 and tell the forum WHICH ANCIENT ARMIES WOULD FIGHT in such a primitive fashion -- AND AFTER ALEXANDER THE GREAT DIED, only a blank person would not be aware of the EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE IN THE GREEK DOMINIONS after Alexander and in relation to Daniel 11:5-35.

My reply.
Hello! Are you telling me that Alexander is the Leopard that comes up at the feet when the Bible says the brass empire comes up at the thighs?
Wrong time period. Read what the Bible says.
Brass empire was Greece under Alexander which exists up at the thighs, not at the feet! The lion, bear and leopard, come up at the feet together and ARE DESTROYED TOGETHER AT THE BATTLE OF ARMAGGEDON.

Atkin quote.
The Bible is not just repeated with no reason but read with discernment since God's wisdom is not on the level of mere mortals.

My reply.
That is why God explained it to us so well, because we are “mere mortals.”
So you must be more intelligent than the rest of us “mere mortals” are you an angel of light of superior knowledge that we must all heed what you say? Good angels are polite so that sorts that out.

Atkin quote.
21st century warfare would not be described as such.... only those with extremely poor interpretation would make such comparisons.

My reply.
I did not describe modern warfare as such. THE BIBLE’S PROPHETS DID.
They did the best they could after they saw the visions, they explained it the best way they could with their limited technological skills.
So don’t blame me!


Atkin quote.
It was ludicrous of you to assume that THE ENTIRE Daniel is sealed up totally till the end.

My reply.
Don’t you misquote me by putting words in my mouth by being the bearer of false statements!
I DID NOT MAKE THE STATEMENT that quote, “THE ENTIRE Daniel is sealed up totally till the end.”

Daniel deals with prophecies that were fulfilled in his time, the seven years of the kings madness fulfilled.
The 70 years of captivity spoken of by Jeremiah the Prophet, was completed when Cyrus turned up bang on time and they were set free also the Medes and Persians took over the Babylonian empire, that was foretold by Daniel, so if you are going to quote me be careful and don’t use false statements about what I supposedly said.


Atkin quote.
Certain chapters mentioning judgement as in Daniel 7:9-14 and Daniel 12:1-13 are THOSE YET TO BE FULFILLED. Common sense would make that obvious to anyone. The Ancient of Days only manifests himself at the judgement end time.

My reply.
Well you got something right at LAST.

Atkin quote.
Avoid deluding yourself with your meagre scriptural knowledge.

My answer. When you can spell Prophesied instead of, “prophesised.” As you did in your first sentence and paragraph, then you can start to give me advice.

How impolite you are with your “meagre scriptural knowledge” remark, how POORLY and UNDERDEVELOPED your BIBLICAL DEBATING skills MUST BE, when you have to resort to being discourteous and RUDE.

May a TRUE MIRACLE occur that will give you some CHARM and REFINEMENT, and BIBLE KNOWLEDGE, because you are in GREAT NEED OF IT!.
Don’t speak to me again unless and until you can manage to grow up somewhat and put into practice some good manners!

Maranatha.

P C.
 
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Justme said:
Hi Prophecy Countdown,

I don't think I have run into anyone on christian forums before who have rambled quite as bad as you do. I really don't know what to reply to. Let's go back to a thread a long ways back and deal with this and then move on from there. It does no good to answer your questions if you just ignore them and go off on some new tangent.

So here: You wanted me to consider that certain verses referred to the 'time of the end.'

(copied from an old post)
Yes,but at the time of what end, so I laid out a verse which shows you when the end was.
Hebrews 9
26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The end of the ages.....the first coming was at the 'end of the ages....

Somewhere in the 10 pages you said this:

Justme, you must open your eyes, the seventh trumpet in Rev 11 occurs at the SECOND RESURRECTION AT THE TIME OF THE END, that is not back in 70AD.
The timing is not within the 2300 evening and morning period when “ALL these WONDERS WILL BE FINISHED.”
I know this is dragging on a bit but I must insert Daniel 12 here because it is so important and clear for those who simply wish to read what THE Bible says. That is why Jesus mentioned Daniel to the Disciples concerning the end of the age which HE associated with HIS second advent.
The two go hand in hand, together, during the same time period of “2300 evening and morning.”

In all of this you said basically nothing. Sorry. More is required than just your considered opinion that it isn't 70 AD, we need scripture that says that.

The verse in question is:
26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Questions:

1)When did Christ appear to do away with sin?
2)How did He do away with sin?
3)When did Christ do what He did to do away with sin?

You need not look any further than this very verse, the answers are right in there. You rambled on about using the truth of the bible and how the word of God is all that matters. So now answer these simple questions from the God inspired Hebrews chapter 9 verse 26.

At the risk of setting off another severe ramble I will bring up two more of your points.

Generation....wouldn't it be nice if we knew what people of biblical times meant exactly by certain terms and phrases? In fact it would really be nice if we knew exactly what Mattew meant by the word 'generation.' Gee, we do!!!!!!! Matthew 1:17 tells us all about it and I think some one worked it out to 40-42 years as well. Don't even TRY to feed in some ficticious meaning on Matthews meaning of 'generation.' I'll never swallow stuff like that!!!

I can't find it in this horde of posts, but I am sure you said that the gospel has not been preached all over wherever in biblical times.

I don't think I have to put up the verses that contradict you here, I'm sure everybody reading this has them memorized. What are you trying to pull here? Surely things this straight forward is common knowledge here, isn't it?

Justme


Greetings Justme.

Justme, your personal remark about me. quote.
“I don't think I have run into anyone on christian forums before who have rambled quite as bad as you do.”

My reply.
If you are going to make remarks about me, then at least put them correctly!
To place “do” at the end of the above sentence is superfluous.
When you say, “who have rambled,” it should read, who rambled.
The word “have” is superfluous.
The word used, should be Christian not “christian,” with a capital.

Your above sentence should read as follows to make your point clearer.
I don’t believe I have met anyone on Christian Forums, who rambles as badly as you.

Now, doesn’t that sound better, Justme?

Justme’s quote.
I really don't know what to reply to. Let's go back to a thread a long ways back and deal with this and then move on from there. It does no good to answer your questions if you just ignore them and go off on some new tangent.

My reply.
You Have quoted Flavius Josephus’ partial, and similar statements, as being evidence of prophecies being completed.
Well, alike partial portions do not make for full completion, or total fulfilment of prophecy.
I have answered your questions Justme, with the Bible.
I will abbreviate in essence your remarks, to save time.
You claim that Revelation 11 was of the past and was fulfilled. You congratulated Ed on “blowing that theory out of the water!”
You also stated, Daniel concerning the abomination of desolation and including Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, then quoted Hebrews 9 as being fulfilled.

What on earth did you expect me to do Justme, not refer at all to those Bible passages?
When I spend 15 hours pulling the Bible together, using the very verses you state “are fulfilled” you come back with a personal remark. About “rambling.”
After I carefully answered the question about “the end of the age” quoted in Hebrews you come back with the same question, wishing to start again at an old post?
Look it up! I’m not going through it again when the answer was very close from the place where you re-quoted me below!

Justme’s quote.
“Somewhere in the 10 pages you said this.”

P C quote.
Justme, you must open your eyes, THE SEVENTH TRUMPET in Rev 11 occurs at the FIRST RESURRECTION AT THE TIME OF THE END, that is not back in 70AD.
The timing is within the 2300 evening and morning period when “ALL these WONDERS WILL BE FINISHED.”
I know this is dragging on a bit but I must insert Daniel 12 here because it is so important and clear for those who simply wish to read WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. That is why Jesus mentioned Daniel to the Disciples concerning the end of the age which HE associated with HIS SECOND ADVENT.
The two go hand in hand, together, during THE same TIME PERIOD of “2300 evening and morning.”

Your reply Justme to my above quote was the following.
“In all of this you said basically nothing. Sorry. More is required than just your considered opinion that it isn't 70 AD, we need scripture that says that.”


My reply.
Justme, you pulled my above statement from a previous post but did not include the following which were included right there with it, they proved that “the time of the end” concerns the SECOND COMING and FIRST resurrection IS AT TRUMPET 7.
Why didn’t you at least read and consider them?

Every serious Bible student knows that at the LAST TRUMP, that is TRUMPET NUMBER 7, WILL occur at the FIRST RESURRECTION.
Here is the Bible proof that you had right in front of you and yet, did not seem to bother reading it.
Yet you claim to read the Bible.

I don’t mind a discussion on Bible prophecy, but at least read the Bible’s words in reaching your conclusions. That is why I take the time to put them there.
 
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1Corinthians 15: 52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the TRUMPET shall sound, and THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL BE RAISED incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Now come on Justme please, you can’t ignore the above facts.
At least consider them with the next verse.

This was a previously posted answer by me about the chapter that you claim is a done deal in the past.
Rev 11:14. The SECOND WOE IS PAST; and, behold, THE THIRD WOE COMETH QUICKLY.
15. And the SEVENTH ANGEL SOUNDED; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The KINGDOM OF THIS WORLD are BECAME THE KINGDOM OF OUR LORD, and of his Christ; and HE SHALL REIGN for ever and ever.

The above is AT the FIRST RESURRECTION so John was taken into the FUTURE.
All I’m asking you to do Justme, is at least look at it and think about it.

Justme quote.
Your comments about the time of writing of the Book of Revelation.
As I said earlier this is a VISION of mostly heavenly events and where does it say John was taken to heaven at a future time or was John transported BACK in time.

My reply.
Revelation 11 is in the future, because the BIBLE states that the SEVENTH TRUMPET IS SOUNDED which is at THE FIRST RESURRECTION at John’s vision of REV 11. FUTURE!

Justme, LOOK, even basic Bible beginner students know that that TRUMPET 7 occurs at HIS second coming AND IS AT THE FIRST RESURRECTION! FUTURE.

I’m sorry Justme, but he was not “transported BACK in time.”
The RESURRECTION DID NOT occur back then.

Justme’s quote.
The fact that terms such as 'soon to come' about to ... means nothing, John is simply recording under the devine inspiration of God, what he saw in a vision. ( I think John saw the vision in his later years too, but I don't see why it matters when he saw it and for sure it is irrelevent when he wrote it.)

I agree, however I was hoping that you would see and work out that the 7th trumpet was problematic for you and that you would have worked it out.

If as you claim Revelation is for the past.
How is it that the seventh trumpet is sounded, and the two witnesses are raised from the dead, which only happens at the first resurrection with woe three in Rev 11?


Justme, I will answer your questions.

When did Christ appear to do away with sin?

My reply.
He did not do away with sin at His first advent, He paid the price for our salvation as a result of it.
Not only for the folk back in history but for those to come in the FUTURE.
He will do away with sin when He comes at His second advent, when sin and its results, suffering and death are done away with.

How did He do away with sin?

My reply.
We are still sinning so He did not do away with it at His first advent.
He will however do away with sin and death at His second coming when He changes us from our tempted by sin mortal bodies into immortal bodies with His laws written in our hearts and minds.


When did Christ do what He did to do away with sin?

My reply.
Jesus first had to pay the price of sin for all, but He still has to be found worthy to open the book to lay claim to the Earthly kingdom, then rescue us from sin as King of kings Lord of Lords at His second advent.

Justme quote.
You need not look any further than this very verse, the answers are right in there. You rambled on about using the truth of the bible and how the word of God is all that matters. So now answer these simple questions from the God inspired Hebrews chapter 9 verse 26.
My reply.
I have already answered the question above and you have not bothered to read it or you would not ask it again!
Go back and read the answer I gave as you, you should have done that in the first place!
I am not going to keep repeating and repeating answers for you, just because you are too indolent to bother reading them when first given!

Justme quote.
At the risk of setting off another severe ramble I will bring up two more of your points.

Generation....wouldn't it be nice if we knew what people of biblical times meant exactly by certain terms and phrases? In fact it would really be nice if we knew exactly what Mattew meant by the word 'generation.' Gee, we do!!!!!!! Matthew 1:17 tells us all about it and I think some one worked it out to 40-42 years as well. Don't even TRY to feed in some ficticious meaning on Matthews meaning of 'generation.' I'll never swallow stuff like that!!!


My reply. I will let the BIBLE answer you. The Bible says the generation of Jesus then quotes many generations as being 14. So the term generation is counted as generations.
That is what the BIBLE says so get used to it!

BIBLE.
Matt 1:1. The book of the GENERATION of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 12And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are FOURTEEN GENERATIONS.

Justme, quote.
Don't even TRY to feed in some ficticious meaning on Matthews meaning of 'generation.' I'll never swallow stuff like that!!!

My reply.
I can tell by your bad spelling and grammatical errors, that you are rushing in too quickly in anger.
Don’t get angry with me Justme, just because I quote Matt 1:1-17. Your argument is with the Bible not me.

Justme quote.
I can't find it in this horde of posts, but I am sure you said that the gospel has not been preached all over wherever in biblical times.

My reply.
No it was not, and still has not been achieved. The Bible society and Independent ministries and others are working on it, with the help of volunteers and the holy Spirit’s great power.


Justme quote.
I don't think I have to put up the verses that contradict you here, I'm sure everybody reading this has them memorized.

My reply.
When you make claims you do have to put up the Bible for verification or as the saying goes. “Put up or shut up.”
You insist I do it and I have done so.

Justme quote.
What are you trying to pull here? Surely things this straight forward is common knowledge here, isn't it

Justme

This is not personal, Justme. It is not a matter whether your pride is hurt or not.
It is not a matter of Prophecy Countdown being right or wrong either.

It is a matter of what sayeth the BIBLE.
When Jesus spoke of prophecy the soldiers ended up punching Him in the back and mockingly asking Him, “prophecy who hit you?”

Peter was murdered for what sayeth the BIBLE.

Reformers in the dark ages were tortured and murdered because they stated what sayeth the BIBLE and went against the norm.

I am sorry that you feel aggrieved and angry, maybe you should stop now before you say something that we both regret.

Maranatha.

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1Corinthians 15: 52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the TRUMPET shall sound, and THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL BE RAISED incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Justme, I will answer your questions.

When did Christ appear to do away with sin?

My reply.
He did not do away with sin at His first advent, He paid the price for our salvation as a result of it.
Not only for the folk back in history but for those to come in the FUTURE.
He will do away with sin when He comes at His second advent, when sin and its results, suffering and death are done away with.

How did He do away with sin?

My reply.
We are still sinning so He did not do away with it at His first advent.
He will however do away with sin and death at His second coming when He changes us from our tempted by sin mortal bodies into immortal bodies with His laws written in our hearts and minds.


When did Christ do what He did to do away with sin?

My reply.
Jesus first had to pay the price of sin for all, but He still has to be found worthy to open the book to lay claim to the Earthly kingdom, then rescue us from sin as King of kings Lord of Lords at His second advent.



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The Bible clearly says you are telling a lie.

Christ does not do away with SIN AFTER THE SECOND ADVENT which will happen ahead.

Read REVELATION 20:7-9 The Bible is true and you are not.

Satan is released and He deceives millions -- IMMORTAL BODIES following Satan after 1000 years with Christ??

How can Satan have evil followers well after 1000 years if YOU CLAIM JESUS Changes us from our tempted by sin mortal bodies into immortal bodies??

Revelation 20:8 states- "They were as numerous as the sands of the sea"

Even a child reader of the Bible knows that if the Earth was populated by sinless

people, Satan would not have Gog and Magog's humans following THE EVIL Satan

even after Christ has returned 1000 years before. Even in the Presence

of Christ on Earth, humans still sin and follow Satan 1000 years after Christ's 2nd advent.

You are wrong, Christ's 2nd advent does not do away with Sin for humans are still

sinning 400 years later , 500 years later, 600 years later, 700 years later

800 years later, 900 years later and when Satan is let out 1000 years after Christ's 2nd advent

the humans of Gog and Magog are evil and follow Satan in Revelation 20:7-9.


Your scripture interpretation is invalid.
 
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Wills said:
The Bible clearly says you are telling a lie.

Christ does not do away with SIN AFTER THE SECOND ADVENT which will happen ahead.

Read REVELATION 20:7-9 The Bible is true and you are not.

Satan is released and He deceives millions -- IMMORTAL BODIES following Satan after 1000 years with Christ??

How can Satan have evil followers well after 1000 years if YOU CLAIM JESUS Changes us from our tempted by sin mortal bodies into immortal bodies??

Revelation 20:8 states- "They were as numerous as the sands of the sea"

Even a child reader of the Bible knows that if the Earth was populated by sinless

people, Satan would not have Gog and Magog's humans following THE EVIL Satan

even after Christ has returned 1000 years before. Even in the Presence

of Christ on Earth, humans still sin and follow Satan 1000 years after Christ's 2nd advent.

You are wrong, Christ's 2nd advent does not do away with Sin for humans are still

sinning 400 years later , 500 years later, 600 years later, 700 years later

800 years later, 900 years later and when Satan is let out 1000 years after Christ's 2nd advent

the humans of Gog and Magog are evil and follow Satan in Revelation 20:7-9.


Your scripture interpretation is invalid.

Greetings Wills.
These are the answers that I gave to Sister Justme.

Justme, I will answer your questions.

Question one was.
“When did Christ appear to do away with sin?”

My reply was.
He did not do away with sin at His first advent, He paid the price for our salvation as a result of it.
Not only for the folk back in history but for those to come in the FUTURE.
He will do away with sin when He comes at His second advent, when sin and its results, suffering and death are done away with.

Question two was.
“How did He do away with sin?”

My reply was.
We are still sinning so He did not do away with it at His first advent.
He will however do away with sin and death at His second coming when He changes us from our tempted by sin mortal bodies into immortal bodies with His laws written in our hearts and minds.

Question three was.
“When did Christ do what He did to do away with sin?”

My reply was.
Jesus first had to pay the price of sin for all, but He still has to be found worthy to open the book to lay claim to the Earthly kingdom, then rescue us from sin as King of kings Lord of Lords at His second advent.


Wills reaction to my answer was.
quote.
“The Bible clearly says you are telling a lie.”
Christ does not do away with SIN AFTER THE SECOND ADVENT which will happen ahead.
Read REVELATION 20:7-9 The Bible is true and you are not.

My reply.
There is a big difference in doing away with SIN. THEN DOING AWAY WITH THE SINNER.

You are getting the two mixed up.

They are separate as you will now learn.

The rescue from sin and it’s power is done away with at HIS SECOND COMING.

DEATH AND SIN ARE also done away with, when the mortal become immortal then the “sting of death is sin,” the STRENGTH OF SIN is THE LAW.
Thanks to God we have victory over death, “THE STING OF DEATH IS SIN,” “DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP.”

2 Corinthians 15:54. So WHEN THIS CORRUPTABLE shall have put on INCORRUPTABLE, and this MORTAL shall have put on IMMORTALITY, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY.
55 O DEATH, where is thy STING? O GRAVE, where is thy VICTORY? 56 The sting of DEATH is SIN; and the STRENGTH of SIN is the law. 57But thanks be to GOD, which GIVETH US THE VICTORY through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 19:1. And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.
8. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for THE FINE LINEN IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SAINTS.

So Wills, that is what sayeth the Bible, not me.

I’m not “I’m not telling lies.”



Wills quote.
Satan is released and He deceives millions -- IMMORTAL BODIES following Satan after 1000 years with Christ??
How can Satan have evil followers well after 1000 years if YOU CLAIM JESUS Changes us from our tempted by sin mortal bodies into immortal bodies??



Where did you get the idea that “IMMORTAL BODIES” will follow Satan?
The people at the second resurrection unto death do not receive “IMMORTAL BODIES THE ARE MORTALS THAT ARE RAISED AT THE SECOND RESURRECTION!

The are, the worshippers of the beast and Satan.

Revelation 13:4. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev 20:4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the SOULS OF THEM that were beheaded for the WITNESS of Jesus, and for the WORD OF GOD, and which HAD NOT worshipped the beast, neither his image, NEITHER HAD RECEIVED HIS MARK upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and THEY LIVED AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST A THOUSAND YEARS.

Now for the second group who were killed at Armageddon because they worshipped the beast, or those that died without faith in earlier times.

Rev 20:13. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And WHOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Rev 21:24. And the NATIONS of them which are SAVED SHALL walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: BUT THEY WHICH ARE WITTEN IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE.


Wills quote.
Revelation 20:8 states- "They were as numerous as the sands of the sea"
Even a child reader of the Bible knows that if the Earth was populated by sinless
people, Satan would not have Gog and Magog's humans following THE EVIL Sataneven after Christ has returned 1000 years before. Even in the Presence
of Christ on Earth, humans still sin and follow Satan 1000 years after Christ's 2nd advent.

My reply.
Revelation denotes the doing away with the SINNERS, NOT SIN.

Revelation 20:8. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And THEY WENT UP on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and DEVOURED THEM.


Wills quote.
You are wrong, Christ's 2nd advent does not do away with Sin for humans are still
sinning 400 years later , 500 years later, 600 years later, 700 years later
800 years later, 900 years later and when Satan is let out 1000 years after Christ's 2nd advent the humans of Gog and Magog are evil and follow Satan in Revelation 20:7-9.Your scripture interpretation is invalid.

Nobody sins from Armageddon until the 1000 years are up and when they march from Gog and Magog on the city of God they are destroyed before they get a chance.
THE SINNER IS DESTROYED. Sin was destroyed at HIS second coming as the BIBLE says.

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

May God bless you Wills.



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You have CONTRADICTED yourself grievously.

Prophecy Countdown said:
These are the answers that I gave to Sister Justme.

Justme, I will answer your questions.

Question one was.
“When did Christ appear to do away with sin?”

My reply was.
He did not do away with sin at His first advent, He paid the price for our salvation as a result of it.
Not only for the folk back in history but for those to come in the FUTURE.
He will do away with sin when He comes at His second advent, when sin and its results, suffering and death are done away with.

Question two was.
“How did He do away with sin?”

My reply was.
We are still sinning so He did not do away with it at His first advent.
He will however do away with sin and death at His second coming ?????
when He changes us from our tempted by sin mortal bodies into immortal bodies with His laws written in our hearts and minds.



Wills reaction to my answer was.
quote.
“The Bible clearly says you are telling a lie.”
Christ does not do away with SIN AFTER THE SECOND ADVENT BECAUSE THE NATIONS FOLLOWED SATAN IN REVELATION 20:7 which HAPPENS AFTER THE 1000 YEARS.
Read REVELATION 20:7-9 The Bible is true and you are not.

My reply.
There is a big difference in doing away with SIN. THEN DOING AWAY WITH THE SINNER.

If Christ DOES AWAY WITH SIN there CANNOT BE SINNERS ON EARTH after 1000 years, resurrected or not.

In your own words Christ does away with sin 1000 years earlier, but after 1000 years, people still sin. Following Satan is a sin, the mere act of even looking at a woman with lust results in adultery from the heart.

What do you mean by they do not get the chance EVEN THOUGH THEY SINNED IN in the heart and mind in deciding to and agreeing to FOLLOW SATAN.
IN AGREEING TO FOLLOW SATAN, THEY immediately SINNED IN REVELATION 20:7.

Your decision in your heart and mind is capable of being regarded as SIN whether or not you proceed to carry out the act.

Since when WAS following Satan NOT CLASSIFIED AS A SIN. WHAT WERE THEY DOING

FOLLOWING SATAN ? THEY sinned and they were LABELLED AS RESURRECTED BODIES IN REVELATION 20:7. THEY ARE LIVING HUMANS IN NATIONS AT the 4 corners of the earth.

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Satan is released and He deceives millions -- IMMORTAL BODIES following Satan after 1000 years with Christ??
How can Satan have evil followers well after 1000 years if YOU CLAIM JESUS Changes us from our tempted by sin mortal bodies into immortal bodies??

Where did you get the idea that “IMMORTAL BODIES” will follow Satan?


Where did you get the idea that the nations at the four corners of the earth
are resurrected skeletons, resurrected rotten flesh and resurrected carcasses??
Nowhere does it say in the Bible that those who followed Satan had resurrected after 1000 years. That is a false doctrine that is not stated anywhere in Revelation 20:7-9


Those resurrected did NOT FOLLOW SATAN all over the earth.
REVELATION 20:13 AND THE SEA GAVE UP THE DEAD THAT WERE IN IT

REVELATION 20:5 The rest of the dead came to life after the 1000 years

That is repeated in Revelation 20:13 Death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them and they were judged

Revelation 20:7 Satan deceived the four nations Gog and Magog

SATAN DID NOT DECEIVE the resurrected dead ---THAT IS NOT SCRIPTURE--that is your home made doctrine--YOU CANNOT GIVE ANY SCRIPTURE to directly state that SATAN DECEIVED THE RESURRECTED DEAD

REVELATION 20:7 SATAN deceived the nations, NOT THE skeletons and carcasses.

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Wills quote.
Revelation 20:8 states- "They were as numerous as the sands of the sea"
Even a child reader of the Bible knows that if the Earth was populated by sinless
people, Satan would not have Gog and Magog's humans following THE EVIL Sataneven after Christ has returned 1000 years before. Even in the Presence
of Christ on Earth, humans still sin and follow Satan 1000 years after Christ's 2nd advent.

My reply.
Revelation denotes the doing away with the SINNERS, NOT SIN.

You are now switching statements. THERE CAN BE NO SINNERS IF SIN IS DONE AWAY

WITH by Christ 1000 YEARS EARLIER. Please avoid contradicting yourself.

You have already comitted to your conclusion that Christ did away with SIN

AND following SATAN is an act of SIN BECAUSE THEY WERE DECEIVED

EVE WAS DECEIVED and She committed an act--SHE WAS SINLESS BEFORE DECEPTION

IN THE SAME WAY SATAN DECEIVED THE SINLESS and made them COMMIT AN ACT

OF SIN in even deciding in their HEART TO FOLLOW HIM.

TO DECEIVE people who WERE NOT WITH SATAN and cause them to sin IS AN ACT OF SIN.

THEY WERE NOT ALREADY DECEIVED otherwise Satan would not have TO GO TO THEM
AND DECEIVE THEM. NO, THEY WERE NOT UNDER DECEPTION PRIOR TO SATAN coming to them in Revelation 20:7, but they were then DECEIVED and followed Satan THUS THEY WENT THROUGH A PROCESS OF NO SIN through deception into sin, thus making your SIN BEING DONE AWAY WITH BY CHRIST 1000 YEARS EARLIER, a wrong statement and your entire post invalid.

Prophecy Countdown said:
Wills quote.
You are wrong, Christ's 2nd advent does not do away with Sin for humans are still
sinning 400 years later , 500 years later, 600 years later, 700 years later
800 years later, 900 years later and when Satan is let out 1000 years after Christ's 2nd advent the humans of Gog and Magog are evil and follow Satan in Revelation 20:7-9.Your scripture interpretation is invalid.

Nobody sins from Armageddon until the 1000 years are up and when they march from Gog and Magog on the city of God they are destroyed before they get a chance.
THE SINNER IS DESTROYED. Sin was destroyed at HIS second coming as the BIBLE says.

Again you stumble in error. IF NOBODY SINS FROM ARMAGEDDON TILL 1000 years are up, THEN NO BODY WOULD BE DECEIVED BY SATAN and go through the act of sinning and following Satan ALL OVER THE BREADTH OF THE EARTH when the 1000 years are ended.

I REPEAT , THEY FOLLOWED HIM ALL OVER the breadth of the Earth.

IF YOU LOOK AT A WOMAN WITH LUST IN YOUR EYES even without touching her
YOU HAVE SINNED AND COMMITTED ADULTERY-- WITHOUT CARRYING OUT THE ACTION.
Agreeing to FOLLOW SATAN RESULTED IN IMMEDIATE SIN from the heart and mind with sinful intent.

MATTHEW 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

MATTHEW 15:19 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications,thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands
defileth not a man.

THE VERY PROCESS OF THINKING EVIL AND FOLLOWING SATAN IS A GRIEVOUS SIN FROM THE HEART--- THEY FOLLOWED WITH THE INTENTION OF COMMITTING AN EVIL ACT -- TO commit evil against the saints is so evil Revelation 20:9

MY FRIEND, kindly be very careful with your errors. Following Satan all over the earth,
this takes a lot of input and is deadly sin.
 
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I REPEAT , THEY FOLLOWED HIM ALL OVER the breadth of the Earth.

IF YOU LOOK AT A WOMAN WITH LUST IN YOUR EYES even without touching her
YOU HAVE SINNED AND COMMITTED ADULTERY-- WITHOUT CARRYING OUT THE ACTION.
Agreeing to FOLLOW SATAN RESULTED IN IMMEDIATE SIN from the heart and mind with sinful intent.

MATTHEW 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto
you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

MATTHEW 15:19 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications,thefts, false witness,
blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands
defileth not a man.

THE VERY PROCESS OF THINKING EVIL AND FOLLOWING SATAN IS A GRIEVOUS SIN FROM THE
HEART--- THEY FOLLOWED WITH THE INTENTION OF COMMITTING AN EVIL ACT -- TO commit evil
against the saints is so evil Revelation 20:9

MY FRIEND, kindly be very careful with your errors. Following Satan all over the earth,
this takes a lot of input and is deadly sin.
 
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Revelation 20:7

Satan DID NOT GO TO THE cemetery

Satan did not go to the mortuary

Satan did not go to the national graveyards

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Satan did not go to the crematoriums

Satan did not go to call them from tombs

Satan did not go into the TOMBS OF THE PHARAOHS

SATAN DID NOT GO TO CALL RAMSES FROM THE TOMB IN EGYPT

SATAN DID NOT GO AND CALL ADOLF HITLER

No
Satan deceived the nations of living humans at the four corners of the earth

They then sinned and committed a deadly act of sin in deciding to hurt the saints.
 
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Hi Prophecy Countdown,

First, I want to thank you for correcting my grammar, but as long as you know what I say we'll be okay.

I want to deal with this one verse here.

Hebrews 9
26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Iasked:

When did Christ appear to do away with sin?


You answered:
My reply.
He did not do away with sin at His first advent, He paid the price for our salvation as a result of it.

The inspired word of God says..He HAS appeared ....to do away with sin....

PAST TENSE as of the time when Hebrews was written..
He appeared at THE END OF THE AGES...
Jesus did away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself..the crucifixion, that is over...

So the inspired word says VERY CLEARLY that Christ appeared in the past to do away with sin.

Readers will note that PC says the opposite..

...He did not do away with sin at His first advent...

Who are you gonna believe? The word of God or Prophecy Countdown!!!!!!

PC added this to his answer, but because he was wrong in his assumption and first part of his answer , this becomes irrelevent.
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Not only for the folk back in history but for those to come in the FUTURE.
He will do away with sin when He comes at His second advent, when sin and its results, suffering and death are done away with.
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If Jesus did away with sin back then that should do it and a future reworking of the process is unnecessary.

Nex I asked:
“How did He do away with sin?”

The correct answer directly from the inspired word of God is:
.. by the sacrifice of himself.

PC comes up with:
......We are still sinning so He did not do away with it at His first advent.
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The bible says"But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself."

PC says He didn't even do away with sin.
What are you going to believe, the word of God or the word of Prophecy countdown?

PC added this to his answer:

He will however do away with sin and death at His second coming when He changes us from our tempted by sin mortal bodies into immortal bodies with His laws written in our hearts and minds.
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Hebrews 9:26 does not deal directly with the 'doing away with death' part, only thesin part. I will deal with the death at second coming later.

Then I asked:
“When did Christ do what He did to do away with sin?”

Like when did this all happen? When did He sacrifice Himself? Well, yes, it was a long time ago, but more importantly, for this conversation it was AT THE END OF THE AGES.

So if Prophecy Countdown is wrong about the end of the ages, it throws the rest of his interpretation into a bit of a tailspin.

What should we deal with next?

Justme
 
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Romans 5:15 "For if the many (Old Test. people) died by the trespass of the one man (Adam), how much more did God's grace and the gift (of salvation through faith) that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow (!) to the many!"

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