Well that's to be expected I guess.
Sorry Debbie. I'm not a preterist. I don't believe all prophecy has been fulfilled. I definitely do not believe the rapture has been fulfilled. I don't even know what I think yet about living in a "spritual" thousand year reign of Christ. I have many questions myself, but I try not to allow preconcieved notions lead me to what I expect already.
rollinThunder: I was simply using Debbie's argument about "God" being in capitals, which is something I wouldn't have done because the original Hebrew and Greek there were no capitals, or commas or punctuations for that matter, I simply showed that "the God of his fathers" is referring to the only "God" (capital letter) that their truly is.
Deuteronomy 6:4 (paraphrased) Hear O Israel the Lord your God is one. There is no other "God" than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Unless you believe that there are more "God's"?
His fathers is related to his bloodline, naturally, correct?. The only people in the Old Covenant that honored the One True God is the nation of Israel. So if this "king" disregarded the "God" of his fathers than it alludes to him being a Jew. I did say it alludes to him being a Jew. Furthermore, I was only speaking of the "king" referred to in Daniel 11:36,37, not antichrist being a Jew. Again, I don't see this "king" being "the antichrist" that is popularly preached about.
When the Bible was scribed it was originally for the Hebrews. God was speaking to His people, for the most part in the Old Covenant. Agreed? I was stating this in that perspective.
However, now that Christ has died, been buried, and rose again those scriptures are for all people who will obey the gospel of Jesus Christ. All scripture is for all nations who will obey the gospel.
I conclude you overlook the past because, respectfully speaking, the things that you have attributed to antichrist and put off into our future, have actually already taken place in the kingdom of Greece (Daniel 8 and verses before Daniel 11:36,37) and in the kingdom of Rome (Daniel 11:36,37).
For most of my life I believed in the pre-trib b/c that is what was simply taught to me to expect. Later, when I searched out for the truth in the scriptures myself, b/c of the evidence of scripture and lack of understanding of history, I believed that the overwhelming evidence pointed toward a post-trib expectation. In that comment that Debbie made I agreed.
However, even in that viewpoint there are many questions left and I've come to see lately that if you look into history with care, you can find a lot of what we are speaking of in this thread has taken place and names of the people in history can be given who fulfilled such verses.
Again I will start a new thread on Daniel 9. This is what really opened my eyes b/c I never realized this misguided point:
No matter whether you believed in pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib, you had to place a "gap" between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel. And to be honest with you that "gap" simply does not exist. It has been placed their by well-intentioned individuals, way before our time, in their attempts to understand prophetic scritpure.
So if you will bear with me, I will post a new thread on the 70 weeks of Daniel chapter 9, sometime in the future, and maybe we can get into the meat of all this.
Again, respectfully, b/c I don't have all the answers,
