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cactusj said:
What do ya'll think the falling away is?

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

THE FALLING AWAY:


Not so much Christians leaving the Church as falling away from sound doctrine. You don't need to be a Bible scolar, just listen to the news on tv, to see how far from sonud doctrine some in Christanity has gotten.
 
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You have to understand "Christendom". Within the Kingdom of the Heavens there co-exists the true and the false. As we approach the end, the false part of "Christendom" will evidence a greater and greater departure from even the semblance of sound doctrine.

The distinctions between those who are truly born-again and the false-professors will become more and more apparent. The way of Cain (coming to God by a self-made means and not as proscribed by God) will gain strength and will separate and hate those of the way of Abel (those who come by the blood sacrifice of Christ alone).

This may be an event that happens clearly in the Tribulation. I say that because the verse quoted is in line with the revelation of the "man of sin". As with all Tribulation prophecy, we will not see it come to fruition, but we can see the beginnings of sorrow.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

So, even in Paul's day, the mystery of iniquity which will culminate in the rise of Antichrist and the False Prophet had begun. In the case of Thessalonica, it was manifest as false doctrine concerning the return of Christ. As we near the sudden return of Christ for His church, that "mystery of iniquity" will abound ever greater and will be seen in many, many false doctrines taking root within Christendom.

The world has been growing more wicked, and now we see the world's doctrines being incorporated into church doctrines and taught in pulpits (Psychology, evolution, higher criticism, homosexual rights, ecumenism, etc.). It was not long ago, that these doctrines of the world were foreign to the church, but now they have been sneaked in by men who have "crept in unawares" bringing damnable heresies... and when sound men stand up to oppose them, they are mocked as "close-minded" or "old fashioned" etc.

This is happening even in the Baptist churches... and more so each day. :eek:

[Gets off soapbox]
 
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Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
If I may ask, do you believe in Chiliasm?

Are you asking me?

If you are asking if I am hold to premillennialism, then I would think the answer is obvious from my post... yes, I hold to a physical reign of Christ on earth in the millenium. That's not the topic of the thread, however. I was answering the post as asked. :)

The vehemence with which many on several sides attack the doctrine of premillennialism brings me an odd sense of comfort. ^_^ But that's for another time...
 
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The world has been growing more wicked, and now we see the world's doctrines being incorporated into church doctrines and taught in pulpits (Psychology, evolution, higher criticism, homosexual rights, ecumenism, etc.). It was not long ago, that these doctrines of the world were foreign to the church, but now they have been sneaked in by men who have "crept in unawares" bringing damnable heresies... and when sound men stand up to oppose them, they are mocked as "close-minded" or "old fashioned" etc.

This is happening even in the Baptist churches... and more so each day. :eek:
This is what I thought of regarding "falling away" also.
It reminds us of how important it is for us to know the scripture back and forth and inside and out so we are not deceived.
 
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@@Paul@@ said:
Here's a hint: Everything they didn't believe in was called "heresy". ;)
I wouldn't go that far. But I think what they said was a very good indicator of what the church believed at that point, if not only to help us peice together parts of the Bible we don't understand.
 
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cactusj said:
What do ya'll think the falling away is?

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
The falling away is definitely the apostacy however whether this is a post-rapture apostacy or the apostacy of the church (i.e. pre-raptue) itself I am not 100% sure although I would lean toward the former in this case however it is most definitely the apostacy of Christendom.

For the Darbyite view point go to---http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.asp?ViewCommentary=2+Thessalonians+2&Version=DRBY

We need remember that Second thessalonians was written in response to the false notion that their persecutions were those of the Day of the LORD.

This is Scofield's take:
2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


for that day

The order of events is:

(1) The working of the mystery of lawlessness under divine restraint which had already begun in the apostle's time 2 Thessalonians 2:7

(2) the apostasy of the professing church 2 Thessalonians 1:3; Luke 18:8; 2 Timothy 3:1-8.

(3) the removal of that which restrains the mystery of lawlessness 2 Thessalonians 2:6,7. The restrainer is a person--"he," and since a "mystery" always implies a supernatural element (See Scofield "Matthew 13:11") this Person can be none other than the Holy Spirit in the church, to be "taken out of the way" ; 2 Thessalonians 2:7; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17.

(4) the manifestation of the lawless one 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10; Daniel 7:8; 9:27; Matthew 24:15; Revelation 13:2-10

(5) the coming of Christ in glory and the destruction of the lawless one 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Revelation 19:11-21 (6) the day of Jehovah 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12; Isaiah 2:12

 
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