lucaspa said:Ikester, Christians who accept evolution are still Christians. You are using "evolutionist" as being "atheist" and it's not.
Have you ever read Finding Darwin's God by Kenneth Miller?
ikester7579 said:When you become a christain it is hard to let go of the way things used to be and some of the friends you have. .
franklin said:So what you are saying is, since you became a Christian your not allowed to associate with those who have a different viewpoint than you have now ?
lucaspa said:I think Ikester is saying something similar about people with strong religious convictions. There simply is little in common anymore with non-believing friends.
Now, certainly Jesus urged association with EVERYONE, particularly the down and out of society.
i tell by seeing how ignorant some posts get.ikester7579 said:Unlike some who come to this forum, I have learned how to tell when something is about to get out of hand. I can tell by how they stress some of the words they use.
ReUsAbLePhEoNiX said:Too bad this happens, causeing unneeded seperation between social and cultural classes. I was really close to the people in my church, invested 10 years of my life, 3 days a week. Now they treat me like I have some disease. I make it a point to call at least once a month to a few individuals too maintian contact for the past 3 years. They NEVER call me back. I feel like I only give them more information to gossip about. I am still the same person I was while I was involved in the church. On the subject of gossip, funny story, a few months ago a few of my friends stopped by ( Mexican, tattoos, low rider, looking like gangsters) to BORROW my telescope ( for the lunar eclipse), some childrens disney movies ( for the kids), and a few science and Buddhist books( for themselves). So here they are walking out of my house with a arm load of my stuff. My sister drives by and sees this happening. Next thing you know my family thinks I was selling my personal belongings for drugs! How frustrating!
franklin said:So what you are saying is, since you became a Christian your not allowed to associate with those who have a different viewpoint than you have now ?
Sounds like to me you have been deceived by religious indoctrination.
I suppose you call that having freedom in Christ ?
Is that really freedom ?
Originally Posted By: lucaspa
Ikester, Christians who accept evolution are still Christians. You are using "evolutionist" as being "atheist" and it's not.
Nope.Have you ever read Finding Darwin's God by Kenneth Miller?
ikester7579 said:So what your saying is: All evolutionists believe in God?
No, what he's saying is, being an evolutionist does not automatically disqualify a person from being a theist.ikester7579 said:So what your saying is: All evolutionists believe in God?
You don't mix evolution and God. They don't mix at all. They are two separate things, so they don't mix, and they don't contradict.Since God cannot be proven or disproven by science, how can you mix evolution into it?
Crudely put, but yes.Evolution is science right?
There is none.Where is the line drawn between science and God?
Bad analogy. As has been explained to you many times, Atheism is not a requirement for evolution.It's like saying: Can an atheist believe in God and still be a atheist?
Can a chriatian be a christian and not believe in God?
Or by saying this are you saying evolution has become a religion too?
I wouldn't know. Nobody who understands the ToE would mix it with religion.When you mix something you say is not a religion with something that is, what have you made it?
Nathan Poe said:You don't mix evolution and God. They don't mix at all. They are two separate things, so they don't mix, and they don't contradict.
I wouldn't know. No evolutionist would mix the ToE with religion.
ikester7579 said:There are those who will drag you back into sin. Example: Lets say someone had a problem with drugs. That person goes to church and accepts Jesus and get delivered from drugs. Now if that person hangs around his old buddies who do drugs, what do you think they will do? Hey come on, do a little refer, or coke. It won't hurt. God want know. I certainly won't tell him etc... If his drug friends truly respected him, they would not try to tempt him in this manner. This is why, If a christian wants to abstain from sin, he has to seperate himself from those who would try to push him back into it. His real friends would not do that. Or would they?
franklin said:Do you think it's possible for someone to stop doing drugs on their own without any help from a person named Jesus who supposedly lived thousands of years ago ?
I would say yes it is. It happens all the time .
Is it also possible for people to find happiness and contentment in life without Christ ?
Would you consider associating with freethinkers, humanists and/or atheists ?
Why would you not want to ? If you are very strong in your Christian faith why not associate with someone with that point of view ?