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Before Armageddon, all will know Jehovah. They may not accept him as the one true Almighty God, and they may continue to rely upon their various kinds of gods.

But during the destruction of all wicked men at Armageddon, they will know that it is Jehovah that is destroying them. And no doubt they will recount all of the many, many opportunities that they had to align themselves with true worship.

A similiar situation happened thousands of years ago with Pharoah of Egypt. He had numerous opportunities to live his life in harmony with the creator's will but went about his stubborn way.

On many occasions, Pharoah said......"Who is Jehovah, that I should listen to him?", in a mocking sort of way. Finally, when being destroyed at the Red Sea, he no doubt, realized that it was the true God Jehovah that was exacting justice.

So, yes, J.W.'s take opportunity to make God's name known....and it is being made known in every land around the globe.
 
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lared said:
Before Armageddon, all will know Jehovah. They may not accept him as the one true Almighty God, and they may continue to rely upon their various kinds of godsBut during the destruction of all wicked men at Armageddon, they will know that it is Jehovah that is destroying them. And no doubt they will recount all of the many, many opportunities that they had to align themselves with true worship.

A similiar situation happened thousands of years ago with Pharoah of Egypt. He had numerous opportunities to live his life in harmony with the creator's will but went about his stubborn way.

On many occasions, Pharoah said......"Who is Jehovah, that I should listen to him?", in a mocking sort of way. Finally, when being destroyed at the Red Sea, he no doubt, realized that it was the true God Jehovah that was exacting justice.

So, yes, J.W.'s take opportunity to make God's name known....and it is being made known in every land around the globe.
Last time I read that story, God hardened Pharoah's heart so he would not listen, so how was it that Pharoah had a choice?

Exodus 4:21
And the Lord said to Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put into thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

7:13 And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said

7:22 And the Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither hed he hearken unto them; as the LORD had said

9:12 And the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them, as the LORD had spoken unto Moses

9:35 And the heart of PHaraoh was hardened, neither would he let the children of Israel go: as the Lord had spoken by Moses


11:10 And Moses and Aaron did all thse wonders before Pharaoh; and the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israil go out of his land

14:4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured up0on Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the Lord. And they did so.


those are just a few of the times it's mentioned that God hardens Pharaoh's heart.

So, this is a really really bad example of someone having a choice and not taking it!! Because Pharaoh was USED by God to prove a point and to make a people for Himself. Pharaoh was a pawn, nothing more.
 
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Jesus preached the good news and performed many miracles. He made the scribes and pharisees angry.

Does that mean, that Jesus inflamed the hearts of the scribes and pharisees with anger, and that they were just pawns?

Or does it mean, that by his (Jesus') teachings and good works brought to the fore what was really in the hearts of these hypocritical religious leaders?

Certainly the true Almighty God Jehovah is a god of justice. For Deuteronomy says that all his ways are just. He is also a god of love. The Scriptures say that God is love. Pharoah of Egypt had many chances to let the Israelites go. He even had the opportunity to learn of the true God.....but because of his own stubborn disposition....his heart continually hardened.

John 17:3 tells us that everlasting life means coming to know the only true God (Jehovah) and the one whom he sent forth, Jesus.

Jehovah God's main outstanding qualities are love, power, wisdom, and justice.

We may ask ourselves......Are our hearts becoming hardened in these last days (2Timothy 3:1-5) because of our own stubborness and our own ongoing rejection of the good news?

Today, millions are appreciating, benefitting, and acting upon the good news of the kingdom (Matthew 24:14) that is being preached globally in hundreds of languages in hundreds of lands.

Jehovah God did not desire for Pharoah to perish, anymore then he desires for any to perish at Armageddon. The true God is a God of justice.....and that is why.....he continues to allow this wicked system of things to continue.......for people like yourself....to take sides with his Kingdom.
 
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for clarification(I thought I had mentioned this in the first post, my bad) Blessedbe and Imblessed are the same person, I was at my parents and could not log in as blessedbe.....

lared said:
Jesus preached the good news and performed many miracles. He made the scribes and pharisees angry.

Does that mean, that Jesus inflamed the hearts of the scribes and pharisees with anger, and that they were just pawns?

Or does it mean, that by his (Jesus') teachings and good works brought to the fore what was really in the hearts of these hypocritical religious leaders?
I don't believe that has anything to do with Pharaoh, does it? Of course, if you are asking my "opinion", yes, I think they were pawns, in a broad sense of the word. I don't think that God's plan would have worked out very well if the scribes and pharisees had welcomed Jesus with open arms! Now, I think they were just looking for a completely different "Jesus" then who came. They were looking for a Military Ruler, not a Lamb. But that cannot be compared to the example of Pharaoh AT ALL, they are totally different scenerios.
Certainly the true Almighty God Jehovah is a god of justice. For Deuteronomy says that all his ways are just. He is also a god of love. The Scriptures say that God is love. Pharoah of Egypt had many chances to let the Israelites go. He even had the opportunity to learn of the true God.....but because of his own stubborn disposition....his heart continually hardened.

No,.....I believe that his heart hardened because God hardened it, not because of his OWN stubborness...and I already proved that from scripture...




Jehovah God did not desire for Pharoah to perish, anymore then he desires for any to perish at Armageddon. The true God is a God of justice.....and that is why.....he continues to allow this wicked system of things to continue.......for people like yourself....to take sides with his Kingdom.

I posted many verses that showed that GOD hardened the heart of Pharaoh. Pharaoh was a pawn, nothing more. God told Moses right from the start that HE would hardens Pharaoh's heart, and many, many verses say that God hardened Pharaoh's heart just as God said he would. You can tell me that God did not desire for Pharoah to persish, but the Bible tells me otherwise!

My whole original post was to prove nothing but that using Pharaoh as an example of someone who was given many 'chances' to change is a bad example.
 
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mawuvi said:
The JW convention in Twickenham London made the main news on the BBC here in London. I guess with the high number of British citizens turning their back on christianity, the huge turnout of the JW's stand out like a bright light in the darkness. Congratulation on the convention fellow brothers in Christ

It's very kind of you, and I'm sure Lared appreciates it, but his postings are aimed as much to you as to me, Mawuvi! If you are not a JW, and associated with the WTBTS, then at armegeddon, you will be destroyed, whether or not you think they are fellow christians or not. I can guarantee that they don't consider you a "fellow brother in Christ".
 
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blessedbe how are you and your new church? I hope life is treating you very well on all fronts.

About JW's and what they teach I am familiar with it as I have studied with them for years. I have even got them to study with my teenage daughter and she was at the convention. I am very familiar with the JW belief that they would be saved and everyboady else is destroyed. The belief is based on the designation of the faithful and discreet slave. Since their belief is comiing from what the Bible says I have no quarrel with it I simply don't agree with it period. Theirs is not an isolated stand as many denominations teach something on similar lines.

As I am sure I have explained to you in the past I am favorable towards the witnesses because of Jesus own identification marker for his true followers. He said by their FRUITS of LOVE you would know his true followers. Another marker is the true followers would OBEY the will of God as they see it in the Bible. Love them or loathe them the JW's meets both requirements admirably. They practice and obey what they see in the Bible and make strenuous efforts to practice love among themselves as opposed any other denomination I know.

FYI another group I have great love for are quakers as they are almost similar to the JW's, unfortunately they are such rare people to come across. God bless them wherever they are.

blessedbe you know according to the Bible if you are kind or hospitable to Christ's followers you would be saved at ammageddon. Well that is what I am doing, making sure, I am remembered at the last trumpet. I do not hold allegiance to any denomination so if anybody comes to my door in the name of Christ I do not turn them away. Neither would I turn my back if I see anyone or group being persecuted for their Christian beliefs
 
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mawuvi said:
blessedbe how are you and your new church? I hope life is treating you very well on all fronts.
Mawuvi, I am well, thank you for asking! :) My icon has changed, but I have not changed churches...I changed the icon because I have found that my beliefs line up with the Calvinists in almost every way...and anyone familiar with the calvinists would automatically know where I am coming from when I post, at least what perspective I am coming from anyway! Calvinism is not so much a deonomination as a "perspective"...there are calvinist is many different denominations....

About JW's and what they teach I am familiar with it as I have studied with them for years. I have even got them to study with my teenage daughter and she was at the convention. I am very familiar with the JW belief that they would be saved and everyboady else is destroyed. The belief is based on the designation of the faithful and discreet slave. Since their belief is comiing from what the Bible says I have no quarrel with it I simply don't agree with it period. Theirs is not an isolated stand as many denominations teach something on similar lines.

I remember your story and I can certainly understand. I know that other denominations teach that they will be saved and everyone else is damned, but since I lean more towards universalism(within christianity), I don't agree with this stance. I believe that people are given good teaching or bad teaching and if they don't know better than it cannot be held against them. I also think that there are FAR too many "teachers" in the world of christianity, and they will be judged accordingly.
As I am sure I have explained to you in the past I am favorable towards the witnesses because of Jesus own identification marker for his true followers. He said by their FRUITS of LOVE you would know his true followers. Another marker is the true followers would OBEY the will of God as they see it in the Bible. Love them or loathe them the JW's meets both requirements admirably. They practice and obey what they see in the Bible and make strenuous efforts to practice love among themselves as opposed any other denomination I know.
I also do not necessarity discount JW's as non-christian, I think many of them are more "christain" than most. I do think they are taught badly and I do not think they are the only ones practicing true love among themselves, I think there is quite alot of fruit in mainline christianity...I think you have to look at church more individually then most seem to. A bad apple does not necessarily ruin the whole bunch, and I've seen bad apples in the JW organization about as frequently as others.....I think there is a reason that Jesus was speaking to the many different churches in Revelations, he was treating each as it's own and not comparing them to the rest of the churches. I feel that the JW's have discarded mainline christianity because of a few 'bad apples' but they don't want us to do the same when we point out their mistakes...just a personal gripe that would take to long to explain...
FYI another group I have great love for are quakers as they are almost similar to the JW's, unfortunately they are such rare people to come across. God bless them wherever they are.
funny you should say that, I was raised Quaker! You are right, they are a rare people to come across, Quakerism as a whole is dying off, because they have become too liberal and too accepting--there are Quaker churches out there that don't believe that Jesus was anything more than a great man, and they don't believe the bible. If the Quakers would go back to the way they were in the 1800's, they'd be alot better off.

blessedbe you know according to the Bible if you are kind or hospitable to Christ's followers you would be saved at ammageddon. Well that is what I am doing, making sure, I am remembered at the last trumpet. I do not hold allegiance to any denomination so if anybody comes to my door in the name of Christ I do not turn them away. Neither would I turn my back if I see anyone or group being persecuted for their Christian beliefs

I'm not trying to start a debate, but can you show me where you see that? I'm not disagreeing with you, I just honestly have not heard that before....
Also, I don't want to upset you, but it seems to me you are sitting the fence, and I think that can be dangerous.....
 
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I'm not trying to start a debate, but can you show me where you see that? I'm not disagreeing with you, I just honestly have not heard that before....
Also, I don't want to upset you, but it seems to me you are sitting the fence, and I think that can be dangerous.....

blessedbe debate is good. It's the fastest way to learn anything. Jesus and the Apostles debated all the time. Remember in Acts of the Apostles how the Apostles used to debate furiously that they would fallout with each other. Through the debate the truth is established.

The following is the verse I am quoting from and as you can see by doing what it says I am not sitting on the fence.

Matthew 25: 31 But when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: 32 and before him shall be gathered all the nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats; 33 and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in; 36 naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee? or athirst, and gave thee drink? 38 And when saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 And when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.
 
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blessedbe debate is good. It's the fastest way to learn anything. Jesus and the Apostles debated all the time. Remember in Acts of the Apostles how the Apostles used to debate furiously that they would fallout with each other. Through the debate the truth is established.

The following is the verse I am quoting from and as you can see by doing what it says I am not sitting on the fence.

Matthew 25: 31 But when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: 32 and before him shall be gathered all the nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats; 33 and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in; 36 naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee? or athirst, and gave thee drink? 38 And when saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 And when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.


Ok, in my understanding, Jesus is talking to the sheep when he makes this speach(the part you highlighted). The sheep are those already saved. I'm not sure how this means that those who are "good" to the true christians(JW's in this scenerio) will be spared at armegeddon. What you are inferring is that even if one is "kind and hospital to Christ's followers" will be spared. Am I understanding you right?
 
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mawuvi said:
blessedbe debate is good. It's the fastest way to learn anything. Jesus and the Apostles debated all the time. Remember in Acts of the Apostles how the Apostles used to debate furiously that they would fallout with each other. Through the debate the truth is established.

The following is the verse I am quoting from and as you can see by doing what it says I am not sitting on the fence.

Matthew 25: 31 But when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: 32 and before him shall be gathered all the nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats; 33 and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in; 36 naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee? or athirst, and gave thee drink? 38 And when saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 And when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.


Ok, in my understanding, Jesus is talking to the sheep when he makes this speach(the part you highlighted). The sheep are those already saved. I'm not sure how this means that those who are "good" to the true christians(JW's in this scenerio) will be spared at armegeddon. It seems to me that what you are inferring is that even if one is not a christian and is "kind and hospitable to Christ's followers" , they will be spared. Am I understanding you right?

"I don't want to be yoked to any one denomination, but just in case the JW's are right about them being the true church, I'll be real nice to them, that way when armegeddon comes, Jesus will look kindly on me" That is what I'm understanding.... forgive me if I got it all wrong...
 
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blessedbe one can not tell who is saved and who is not saved, only God can do that so that is not what the verse is talking about. The verse is talking about doing good to people that profess or are perceived to be Christ's followers. I said earlier that I do not turn away from anyone that comes to me in the name of Christ, I did not infer that I am nice to only one denomination. As long as I see people OBEYING and living their lives by the Bible, I am obligated to be hospitable to them.

Please read Matt. 10: 11 - 17. This would help with the understanding of what Jesus is saying.

Finally compare with the parable of the good Samaritan and the thief on the cross.
 
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Ok, I understand how you are seeing it. I'm certainly not advocating being "nice" to only one denomination either! :) I'm also not saying that we can know who is a real christian, I agree that only God can, but this parable about the goats and the sheep was about Jesus separating the people at "the end".....
the only references to sheep Jesus ever made was about His followers...so that parable of the sheep and the goats has to be believers and non-believers.....so I guess I'm still not sure how you are seeing it as relating to how we personally can be spared at armeggedon by treating christians properly....I'm sure it's not your fault.....I just can't make the connection...
I don't have time tonight to look into the other verses, but I will do that tomorrow, just wanted to let you know I'm still around(been BUSY)
 
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It has to do with Christ's annointed brothers.

Also, just being nice does not cut it.

Jesus said that the one doing the will of the Father is the one that will be saved. Not being nice.

What does Christ's annointed brothers ask of us in these last days, but to share in the preaching of the good news of the kingdom.

Also blessedbe, the book of Revelation says that no one knows the number of the great crowd that come out (survive) the Great Tribulation. Even right now, there are those that are coming into the flock and there are those going out. Matthew 24:13 says that the one who endures until the end is the one that will get saved.

Also, from your earlier comments that Pharoah was merely a pawn in God's hands, really shows that you do not know the true God Jehovah. That is certainly not how any of Jehovah's Witnesses views our God.

(Just as you may (or may not) take offense that a gay Methodist will say that Jesus was a homosexual.) -----Most trinitarians in christendom would say that the gay activist does not know the real Jesus.

You seem to be drawn into conversations regarding JW's and yet you not only have misconceptions and misundestandings, but also paint a distorted view of the one true Almighty God Jehovah.

The Scriptures say that Jehovah does not desire any to be destroyed but wants all to attain to repentance. Jehovah does not have to bring about his perfect will by stooping as low as merely using an imperfect human as a pawn. He is the heavenly Father and loves even the wicked.

Using people as pawns is something that an evil person would do or even Satan.

Meanwhile.....as the hashing continues on these boards.....the good news of the kingdom continues to be preached earthwide.

Just a decade or two ago, there was only one deaf group of Witnesses in the Western USA,.....now there are many. In Southern Mexico......the good news is now being preached in a variety of indigineous languages.

Congregations are sprouting up rapidly in South East Asia. Secluded villages only reachable by airplane are being brought the good news in Northern Alaska and Canada.

Tens of thousands are being baptized this year at the annual district conventions that you are aware of.....and these ones are not merely pew sitters, but are engaged as Christian ministers of the good news.

These boards often remind me of the people in Noah's day who continually discussed whether Noah had God's favor and whether or not it was actually going to flood,.....all the while, Noah and his family were busy building the ark.

Why not, attend your local Kingdom Hall, and humbly listen and learn. Then act upon what you learn.....and get busy doing God's will of preaching the good news.

Many rich blessings will come your way.

I may not be able to respond for a sometime.....as my ministry is keeping me extremely busy.

Sincerely, Lared
 
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Yes but more is needed also. Simply saying believing is enough does not complete the full extent of what is needed. Satan and the Demona believe and tremble because they know thier end is near scripture also says "This means Everlasting Life the taking in Knowledge of You the Only True God and of the one You sent forth Jesus Christ"
This shows that nore than just believing is needed taking in Knowledge of Jehovah and Jesus is also neccesary. We have many examples of Active Faith being what recieved salvation,Noah Abraham and Job were men who exercized thier faith by thier actions. Thus it was accounted to them as Righteousness.
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Yes but more is needed also. Simply saying believing is enough does not complete the full extent of what is needed. Satan and the Demona believe and tremble because they know thier end is near scripture also says "This means Everlasting Life the taking in Knowledge of You the Only True God and of the one You sent forth Jesus Christ"
This shows that nore than just believing is needed taking in Knowledge of Jehovah and Jesus is also neccesary. We have many examples of Active Faith being what recieved salvation,Noah Abraham and Job were men who exercized thier faith by thier actions. Thus it was accounted to them as Righteousness.
Agape', TB

Hello,

Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them.

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Hello,

Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them.

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Hi Daneel,

You appear to be confusung Works of Faith with Works of the Law.

Through works/obedience of the Law alone it was not possible for the Jews to become/earn righteousness because no man (Apart from the perfect Jesus) could fully keep the law, it just highlighted man's imperfection and sins. But through Faith one can become righteous in God's sight.

But true faith has to be exercised. It is demonstarted by works which give evidence before God and Man of such faith.

Mat 5:16 (BBE) Even so let your light be shining before men, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven.

Jam 2:18-26 (BBE) But a man may say, You have faith and I have works; let me see your faith without your works, and I will make my faith clear to you by my works. You have the belief that God is one, and you do well: the evil spirits have the same belief, shaking with fear. Do you not see, O foolish man, that faith without works is of no use? Was not the righteousness of Abraham our father judged by his works, when he made an offering of Isaac his son on the altar? You see that his faith was helping his works and was made complete by them; And the holy Writings were put into effect which said, And Abraham had faith in God and it was put to his account as righteousness; and he was named the friend of God. You see that a man's righteousness is judged by his works and not by his faith only. And in the same way, was not the righteousness of Rahab, the loose woman, judged by her works, when she took into her house those who were sent and let them go out by another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead even so faith without works is dead.


Regards,


LB
 
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lared said:
It has to do with Christ's annointed brothers.

Also, just being nice does not cut it.

Jesus said that the one doing the will of the Father is the one that will be saved. Not being nice.

What does Christ's annointed brothers ask of us in these last days, but to share in the preaching of the good news of the kingdom.

You can tell Mawuvi that, because he seems to think that, not me. He loves everything about the JW's except the idea of becoming a JW...

Also blessedbe, the book of Revelation says that no one knows the number of the great crowd that come out (survive) the Great Tribulation. Even right now, there are those that are coming into the flock and there are those going out. Matthew 24:13 says that the one who endures until the end is the one that will get saved.
I have to disagree with the statement of those "going out of the flock". Those "going out" were never truly "in" to begin with--or they would have never left. John 10:28 "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand. I and My Father are one." So now you have 2 statements from Jesus saying essentially two opposite things. How do you reconscile that? Jesus' sheep hear his voice and follow Him, and no one is able to snatch His sheep from Him. That's a quandry isn't it? I used to believe as you do, that one can lose his salvation, but upon further study, I no longer believe it.

Also, from your earlier comments that Pharoah was merely a pawn in God's hands, really shows that you do not know the true God Jehovah. That is certainly not how any of Jehovah's Witnesses views our God.
I guess you are choosing to ignore the verses I posted that say otherwise? God told Moses that he would harden Pharaoh's heart, and many many verses during that story say that He did so, just as He had told Moses. How can you ignore that?? What it shows me about Jehovah's Witnesses is that they are very good at digesting anything that comes out of WTBTS and don't practice what they preach(mainly being good "bereans" and testing what they are taught)

(Just as you may (or may not) take offense that a gay Methodist will say that Jesus was a homosexual.) -----Most trinitarians in christendom would say that the gay activist does not know the real Jesus.
I love how you accuse us of being generalists and having loads of misconceptions and misuderstandings; and then you actually post this kind of tripe. Do you have any real proof of what MOST trinitarians believe? I bet it's only what your magazines SAY trinitarians believe....


You seem to be drawn into conversations regarding JW's and yet you not only have misconceptions and misundestandings, but also paint a distorted view of the one true Almighty God Jehovah.
I'll refer you to the above statement on that one....and I believe that scripture paints a different picture of Jehovah than you have....

The Scriptures say that Jehovah does not desire any to be destroyed but wants all to attain to repentance. Jehovah does not have to bring about his perfect will by stooping as low as merely using an imperfect human as a pawn. He is the heavenly Father and loves even the wicked.

Using people as pawns is something that an evil person would do or even Satan.
Well it is you who seem to think Jehovah has to do things the way you would understand it, I wouldn't presume to claim to understand the perfect will of God or question it. I think I prefer let God be God and not try to put Him in a box. He exists outside of time and place and He will do things as He sees fit, not as WE see fit. And if he sees fit to use Pharaoh as a "pawn"(As the scripture plainly says), then so be it.

Meanwhile.....as the hashing continues on these boards.....the good news of the kingdom continues to be preached earthwide.

Just a decade or two ago, there was only one deaf group of Witnesses in the Western USA,.....now there are many. In Southern Mexico......the good news is now being preached in a variety of indigineous languages.

Congregations are sprouting up rapidly in South East Asia. Secluded villages only reachable by airplane are being brought the good news in Northern Alaska and Canada.

Tens of thousands are being baptized this year at the annual district conventions that you are aware of.....and these ones are not merely pew sitters, but are engaged as Christian ministers of the good news.
I'm sorry Lared, but as "impressive" as these numbers are, they don't prove anything at all. I agree that your version of "the good news" is quite palatable and looks real good on the outside....but dig a litter deeper and it doens't quite match up...

These boards often remind me of the people in Noah's day who continually discussed whether Noah had God's favor and whether or not it was actually going to flood,.....all the while, Noah and his family were busy building the ark.
Funny, I haven't been "discussing" whether you have God's favor or not, I"ve been discussing whether or not you would consider Mawuvi to be a "brother in christ" as he considers you, and whether or not God hardened Pharaoh's heart, and as I stated in the OP, why "God" was used instead of "Jehovah" on the name-badges(which was answered to my satisfaction). I cannot say yes or no as to whether you(JW's) have God's favor or not. I can say with certainty that the things you teach are mostly wrong, although you do have a few things right.

Why not, attend your local Kingdom Hall, and humbly listen and learn. Then act upon what you learn.....and get busy doing God's will of preaching the good news.

Many rich blessings will come your way.
sorry, lared, no can do. I've learned enought to know that I will not be doing the WTS's will of preaching their version of the good news. I think "humbly listening and learning" is not quite the right words....."blindly accepting their version of the bible" would be better suited.


I apologize if I've offended you....but I also do not care to be "misunderstood and misrepresented", and you have done a fine job of assuming quite a bit about me.
 
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