I can never understand?

Status
Not open for further replies.

Honeycomb

Active Member
Mar 25, 2002
103
0
Santa Barbara Ca
Visit site
✟284.00
Faith
Protestant
I can never understand?



I can never understand why there is any opposition to the post-trib rapture view?



I mean,

if we get raptured to Christ in an instant before the great-trib, there is not going to be much of a choice in the matter for those getting raptured, right?



I mean,

they get snatched-out instantly without so much as a peep, right?



So why not expect the worse case scenario and get ready to make a stand (Spiritually) with God’s word?



That’s why I feel it’s so imperative that the “antichrist-first to appear” information gets out



faith not sight



We are supposed to go by faith not sight, right?



Well, the first Christ you see in the end-time will be the antichrist !



The anti = "instead of" God will come



2 Thes 2:4

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.



Satan-antichrist,

the spurious messiah will once again exalt himself above God just as Paul explained in verse 4 and claim that he is God the Messiah -who has come to rapture you away.



Jesus Christ

Also warned us in Mat 24 and Mark 13 about the abominable one who shall come just before He returns and when he does, stay away from the copy.



Matthew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)



ye therefore shall see ? ???????? !!

It doesn’t make sense?, uh eh… . . If?


I mean,
why would Jesus warn us, if He planning on rapturing us away?


Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:



Jesus said to flee Judaea when we see the false Christ appear in the Holy Land.



I’m not playing games



Or



Trying to pump-myself up here,



whether you choose to believe the warnings I post or not -is entirely your business,



I know I’ve done my part :) ;)



God bless



Peace





_________________________________



JESUS IS THE LIVING WORD



 

Big Mouth Nana

Post Tribulationist
Sep 9, 2003
6,812
246
73
Bakersfield,California
Visit site
✟15,590.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Honeycomb said:
I can never understand?



I can never understand why there is any opposition to the post-trib rapture view?



I mean,

if we get raptured to Christ in an instant before the great-trib, there is not going to be much of a choice in the matter for those getting raptured, right?



I mean,

they get snatched-out instantly without so much as a peep, right?



So why not expect the worse case scenario and get ready to make a stand (Spiritually) with God’s word?



That’s why I feel it’s so imperative that the “antichrist-first to appear” information gets out



faith not sight



We are supposed to go by faith not sight, right?



Well, the first Christ you see in the end-time will be the antichrist !



The anti = "instead of" God will come



2 Thes 2:4

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.



Satan-antichrist,

the spurious messiah will once again exalt himself above God just as Paul explained in verse 4 and claim that he is God the Messiah -who has come to rapture you away.



Jesus Christ

Also warned us in Mat 24 and Mark 13 about the abominable one who shall come just before He returns and when he does, stay away from the copy.



Matthew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)



ye therefore shall see ? ???????? !!

It doesn’t make sense?, uh eh… . . If?


I mean,
why would Jesus warn us, if He planning on rapturing us away?


Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:



Jesus said to flee Judaea when we see the false Christ appear in the Holy Land.



I’m not playing games



Or



Trying to pump-myself up here,



whether you choose to believe the warnings I post or not -is entirely your business,



I know I’ve done my part :) ;)



God bless



Peace





_________________________________



JESUS IS THE LIVING WORD



I was trying to follow your train of thought here Honeycomb. Are you saying that you believe that the antichrist is supposed to show up first? If so, then you are correct!!!! Scripture doesn't lie. Matt 24:24-35 ~ And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, THEN LOOK UP, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh......(close, but not yet)
29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day not come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

This pre-trib rapture thing is one of the biggest satanic lies ever perpretrated to the church. I think that satan devised it to keep peoples minds off of when the actual AC does appears. Alot of the church is waiting for the big "catching away", but what might happen is the big "catching off guard". I pray not!!!

 
Upvote 0

Honeycomb

Active Member
Mar 25, 2002
103
0
Santa Barbara Ca
Visit site
✟284.00
Faith
Protestant
Frightened Pre-trib



Are you looking to fly-away to the first Christ?



The first one to come in the end-times is the Spurious Christ ---Satan-antichrist



LOVED NOT their lives (to fly away from trouble)



Rev 12:11

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.



Mat 10:39

He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.



Mat 16:25

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.



Mark 8:35

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.



Luke 9:24

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.



Luke 17:33

Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.



Luke 12:22

And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.



1Jo 3:16

Hereby perceive we the love [of God], because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down [our] lives for the brethren.



John 12:25

He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.



John 13:37

Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.



John 15:13

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.



Peter now
gets down to the "nitty gritty" and uncovers what the false prophets and false teachers are really interested in.


2 Pet. 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.


The false prophets will tell you all kinds of made-up stories, because they are out to "shear the sheep" and "make merchandise".



In other words they are in it for the filthy lucre!

God is not too happy with ministers who make up stories and lead His people astray.


Here is what God Almighty has to say about it as He speaks through His true prophet, Ezekiel.



Ezekiel 13:2

Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD;



Do you claim to represent Christ and teach His Word? If so, this applies directly to you



[3] Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!



When our Father says you got a "Woe" coming, you're in Big Trouble!



[4] O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.



[5] Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.



This is referring to our generation, the battle in day of the LORD.



The self seeking ministers are not telling our people to put on the gospel armor, and "take heed", and study the Word of God.



Therefore they are not "making an hedge", i.e. providing protection for our people.



Ezek 13:6
They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.


They don't have time to teach the Oracles of God line by line!



They are too busy saying "The Lord just revealed to me that someone out there in TV land has a bad back and God is healing you RIGHT NOW! Call 1 800-APOLEIA. Our operators are standing by to take your money"



And they give people false hope and the LORD has not sent them! Woe!



[7] Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?



You have the nerve to say God told you, "The LORD saith it"?



That's funny, because we were "taking heed" and noticed in Ezek. 13 that the LORD said "HE HASN'T SPOKEN IT!"



He didn't tell any of those liars that someone has a bad anything!



Must be their own imagination or the voice of someone else, huh?



[8] Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.



And if God be against you, who can be for you?



Ezekiel 13:19

And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?



"Woe" is right!



There is a "Woe" Trump coming soon



[20] Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.



Think God is not serious about being angry over those false PRE-TRIB RAPTURE teachings?



God bless



Peace



_________________________________



Jesus is the living word






 
Upvote 0

Honeycomb

Active Member
Mar 25, 2002
103
0
Santa Barbara Ca
Visit site
✟284.00
Faith
Protestant
By His Grace

"I was trying to follow your train of thought here Honeycomb. Are you saying that you believe that the antichrist is supposed to show up first?"





BY Honycomb




Boycotting dirt


The Antichrist is simply Satan disguised as Jesus Christ



It should read --Satan antichrist



For the Devil has always been jealous of the Son, the living Word of God Jesus and enjoys playing at being Him



Thought supernatural

he is no match for a man woman or child of the Living God



God bless



Peace



 
Upvote 0

Screamin'Eagle

Fighting communism...one mermaid at a time.
Jul 4, 2004
13,811
138
37
✟29,765.00
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
your right i believe the anti christ does show up first, i mean he has to be born(i think), but i dont think we will be here during the tribulation, maybe the very beginning but i dont think we will be here long if at all.
 
Upvote 0

Honeycomb

Active Member
Mar 25, 2002
103
0
Santa Barbara Ca
Visit site
✟284.00
Faith
Protestant
AEguy05 said:
your right i believe the anti christ does show up first, i mean he has to be born(i think), but i dont think we will be here during the tribulation, maybe the very beginning

but i dont think we will be here long if at all.


Not be here?

Are you planning on going somewhere?

OR

Are you just scared of the Devil?

I'm not

READ Luke 10:17-18-19

By the way,
Satan lucifer the Devil ---is the Antichrist, the instead-of God or Christ
The Spurious Messiah

God bless

Peace
 
Upvote 0

Screamin'Eagle

Fighting communism...one mermaid at a time.
Jul 4, 2004
13,811
138
37
✟29,765.00
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
wth was that about? no im not afraid of the devil, Jesus says he is coming back for his church in the beggining of revelations, so i would imagine we would be taken with him in the beggining. I dont even know what you were trying to say...
 
Upvote 0

Screamin'Eagle

Fighting communism...one mermaid at a time.
Jul 4, 2004
13,811
138
37
✟29,765.00
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
Honeycomb said:
By the way,
Satan lucifer the Devil ---is the Antichrist, the instead-of God or Christ
The Spurious Messiah
Peace
i didnt know you met the antichrist... Dude the antichrist and satan are explained as 2 different beings in the bible, so ill go with that, you believe what you want.
 
Upvote 0

Honeycomb

Active Member
Mar 25, 2002
103
0
Santa Barbara Ca
Visit site
✟284.00
Faith
Protestant
AEguy05 said:
wth was that about? no im not afraid of the devil, Jesus says he is coming back for his church in the beggining of revelations, so i would imagine we would be taken with him in the beggining.

I dont even know what you were trying to say...
BY Honeycomb

I know I know
thats becouse you don't read God's word

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is a book of Prophecy about the tribulation of LAST DAY

The "last day" is when Jesus returns

-

-

I’m running into continuous user control “tweaking” and blocks

Incessant flack of insults, computer tampering and hacking –simply trying to post the most basic things here



I’m growing weary I am considering leaving soon --this time for good



But know this,

there will come corollary from my Father the Lord God of Israel



I was asked to come back and post in the first place



____________________________



JESUS IS THE LIVING WORD
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
144,666
17,340
USA/Belize
✟1,738,735.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
Honeycomb said:
BY Honeycomb

I know I know
thats becouse you don't read God's word

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is a book of Prophecy about the tribulation of LAST DAY

The "last day" is when Jesus returns

-

-

I’m running into continuous user control “tweaking” and blocks

Incessant flack of insults, computer tampering and hacking –simply trying to post the most basic things here



I’m growing weary I am considering leaving soon --this time for good



But know this,

there will come corollary from my Father the Lord God of Israel



I was asked to come back and post in the first place



____________________________



JESUS IS THE LIVING WORD
Computer hacking and tampering?
And you are accusing someone here of this?

 
Upvote 0

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
144,666
17,340
USA/Belize
✟1,738,735.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
"Religious prude"? :D Trying to insult me? It's actually making me laugh...which is why I respond.

Erwin has been changing servers and doing alot of updating.
I'd contact the moderators about the problem, if you honestly think someone is "hacking" or "tampering".
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Kingdom_Come

Senior Member
Jun 27, 2004
864
18
✟1,117.00
Faith
Pentecostal
Read Revelation a little closer Honeycomb, especially the last few chapters. The 'Anti-Christ' (something people are fond of calling 'the beast' or son of perdition-"destruction") is not Satan. Revelation is clear that 'the beast' is destroyed at Armageddon but Satan is destroyed at the end of the millennium, which is approximately 1000 years after Armageddon (he will be loosed for a time to deceive and build an army). The beast is in league with Satan, however, they are not one and the same.
 
Upvote 0

Honeycomb

Active Member
Mar 25, 2002
103
0
Santa Barbara Ca
Visit site
✟284.00
Faith
Protestant
Kingdom_Come said:
Read Revelation a little closer Honeycomb, especially the last few chapters. The 'Anti-Christ' (something people are fond of calling 'the beast' or son of perdition-"destruction") is not Satan. Revelation is clear that 'the beast' is destroyed at Armageddon but Satan is destroyed at the end of the millennium, which is approximately 1000 years after Armageddon (he will be loosed for a time to deceive and build an army). The beast is in league with Satan, however, they are not one and the same.
BY ELI



Thank you for the advice :):)



But,

The “Beast” is political --it is Satan’s 7th Kingdom Rein

It is Satan's 8th Kingdom rein (his last) that will go into THE lake of fire with him after his very last and final overthrow at the very end of the millennium.


AND


Did you know there’s a difference in


A lake of Fire


And


The lake of Fire?


Yes indeedy --there’s a big difference. :) :wave:

Bible students know


You see,
Judgment to perdition doesn’t come till AFTER the Millennium.


A lake of fire would be a figure –meaning: -a thing is finished, never to be again.



Now, for -The "Beast "


Do you remember that the harlot rides the beast?
The beast is the one world government under Satan-antichrist that is destroyed.


"A lake" of fire

is just a figure of Speech –HELLO, GWTJ hasn’t come yet!


Rev 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.




THE Lake

Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.




Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.




Rev 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



It is just Satan-antichrist’s role as the spurious Jesus Christ


and

his political ”ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT” system that is destroyed forever.

Satan Lucifer
that old serpent from the garden (The Devil) is supernatural –he can appear as an entire ARMY if he wanted to.


Satan-(antichrist) is coming back --I suggest you get yourself ready and I don’t mean rapture-ready, Pal



Aint no thing for a stepper with a sword though
We already have the victory

Read luke 10:17-18


God bless



Peace



 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
Status
Not open for further replies.