shawn_h76 said:
Im sorry, i have to admit, i didn't read the whole thread.
shawn_h76 said:
Not everybody will be saved.
Really? Strange that God would hold something against them when the debt has been paid
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and
not for ours only, but also for
the sins of the whole world.
Such a strange thing for John to say - don't ya think?
shawn_h76 said:
Revelation 3
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
And how do you overcome, by the blood of Jesus.
And *ALL* of Gods creation WILL OVERCOME because it is His will that it be so!
1 Timothy 2:2-4 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Who can thwart the will of God? Man?
Isaiah 29:16 Ye turn things upside down! Shall the potter be esteemed as clay; that the thing made should say of him that made it, He made me not; or the thing formed say of him that formed it, He hath no understanding?
shawn_h76 said:
Now, everybody who has ever lived their names are written in the book of life.
Not that I can contest this - but did you just make it up? Got scripture to support it?
shawn_h76 said:
When you die without Jesus, your name is blotted out.
Really? When you die IN THE FLESH? Do you know what Gods Judgements are when put to the earth?
Isaiah 26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for
when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
shawn_h76 said:
When you ask Jesus into your heart, your name is sealed and will never be blotted out.
This is a contradiction to your assertion concerning
"He that overcometh". Which is it? Simply ask him into your heart or OVERCOME ? And the list of things to overcome in the letter to the churches is pretty hefty. See - you can't have it both ways. UNLESS! UNLESS - His Blood covers ALL SIN - WHOLE WORLD - ALL FLESH. I could paste another 100 verses from the Word of God to show you - but this was already done from the start of this thread. Do yourself a favor and go back and read the thread.
shawn_h76 said:
Revelation 20
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Don't you know that you are "in the Lake of Fire" right now?? Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
In this age - on this earth - Christians who are CALLED BY GOD first : are being SALTED WITH HIM. For God is an all-consuming fire!
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Malachi 3:2-3 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for
he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
Daniel 3:23-25 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego,
fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. He answered and said, Lo,
I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites.
Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because
it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but
he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Deuteronomy 4:24
For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though
it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
Luke 12:49
I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
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Enough of this. I'll tell you what Shawn - I don't believe that you believe what you say you believe. Got any friends or relatives that don't believe? Do you? How can you rest Shawn, knowing they are to be tormented for ETERNITY? Hmmm? I think those that "preach this" are FOOLING THEMSELVES. Why not devote every single last moment of your life - every living second to SAVE that one from that ETERNAL TORMENT? No TV - No reading on this forum - Nothing - nothing but pure efforts to SAVE that one. Oh, you might say, "he is blind I cannot lead such a blind one to Christ". Or perhaps you might say "God has not called him". What will you say Shawn? How can you claim to have Sabbath/Rest in Him when you KNOW those you love are HEADED TO ETERNAL TORMENT? Are you praying for them? Are your prayers then NOT HEARD because they show no response to the Son of God? Should we make void the verse:
John 14:13 And
whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Or you may say that it isn't aligned with the Will of God?
"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." ...neah can't be that either.
Personally - I could not rest. I would be IN THE TORMENT NOW for them. I would CRY MY EYES OUT DAY AND NIGHT. Are you not CRYING? Have you no pity? If you could give your salvation to a loved one - a TRADE - would you? Is that not the very expression of Christ?
No - I say no, you do NOT REALLY BELIEVE what you say you do. Search out the Mind of Christ. Read HIM - you will see that He is the IMAGE OF GOD and He LOVES HIS ENEMIES! He has MERCY ON THE MASSES. Put on the Whole Mind of Christ and don't listen the harlot. She sits upon a great mountain - Proverbs 30:20 Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.
She has many daughters indeed. And she has mixed her wine. She is carnal. She cannot "see" the Spirit of God because of her selfishness. And God will Judge her with LIGHT. She will be EXPOSED for her nakedness. If you come out of ... you will see. See the Light and Love of God through Jesus in REALITY - not just in "dead letter text". Put off the OldTestament man - put off that carnality:
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the
oldness of the letter.
2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament;
not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
The Old Testament can be found in the New by "patching" that old wine skin :
Mark 2:22 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be
marred (apollumi,DEATH,PERISH): but new wine must be put into
new bottles.
We are that bottle/skinBag. And and we cannot keep our Old Testament man and have the New Testament man as well. For by the Law is death. But the Spirit of Truth is LIFE NOW. When you can "see this" - you will then understand the SPIRIT OF THE WORD and be able to OVERCOME THE LETTER. Until you OVERCOME THAT LETTER - Thats all you will see -> DEATH DEATH DEATH.
The spirit will show you that Death is LIFE indeed!
Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Matthew 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose (SOUL) it: and he that loseth his life(SOUL) for my sake shall find it.
Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Matthew 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
John 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:4-9 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
You see Death. I see LIFE. And Life for all His Creation - not just a few. For it is God who CHOOSES when for each man. Some during this earth age. Some in the next. This MUST be so because His word is PRECISE on this matter in too many places. Far too many to assume that "all doesn't mean all" "tasted death for every man doesn't mean every man" "all of creation doesn't mean all of creation" "every knee means by force". It is SHE who is lying to you. Not I. Stop listening to her.