Who survives the 2nd coming? (Dispensationalists must see)

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Change your belief to that of Jesus in Revelation 22..........
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

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Yes I read what is written........ but what does it really mean and how do we interpret it?
The parables are full of this type of issue.
If we read the NT we discover that just aboput every story or parable Jesus tells has a question at the end...what is our response going to be?

On a deeper theological level,we imply that mankind is beyond God's saving grace and can thwart the will of God by saying we can choose (for all eternity anyway) to reject God.
Does this make us as powerful as God?...... It would seem so.
If God rejects us is he an all loving and forgiving God?.....Sounds like a weak God to me.

David

By His Grace said:

By this statement, then I guess you do not believe in hell then either? You must not, since you believe that everyone is going to be saved .

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Yes I do believe in hell and a purgatory.
For me there is no contradiction here in saying that we will all be saved eventually.
The contradiction arises when we say that we are beyond the saving power of God.
My belief is that when we see the full face of God we won't be able to reject him, nor will we want to in our full knowledge of him.

David

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dnich163, I see the Catholic icon by your username. You do realize that as a Catholic, you cannot pick and choose your beliefs, as you would in a buffet-style cafeteria. (There are no "cafeteria Catholics.") You have to take them all as they offer them in the RC system. Else, you go out.)

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I already do that friend.
Nothing I have said goes against Catholic belief.
The RC church itself states we can't know who is in Hell....what no Hitler we might say....
David

A Brethren IN CHRIST said:

Rev 20:11-15 read what happens here

blows up your feelings

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Brethren....... I'm disappointed in you friend.

Does this mean a literal interpretation of what was seen or experienced?
Is it perhaps using human language to explain the inexplicable?
To describe what is beyond description?

It would seem in this literal interpretation that the evil mean were able to outwit God, and reject him for all eternity.

This doesn't stack up when we think of a loving God.

David

your only looking at one aspect of God's power.. love.. what about righteousness or the three O's .. ect. His think is

romans 1:18 for a quality of wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness

how does one become righteous if we are unrighteous! Believe roman 4:2-8

Plus is God teach man only? or spirit beings also.

A Brethren IN CHRIST said:

your only looking at one aspect of God's power.. love..
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But isn't this just it.......God is love.

What is the passion and the crucifixion if not out of pure love for mankind?

We attribute many things to God; explained in our very limited human terminology, but surely this greatest of all acts by Our Lord can only be deduced as the ultimate act of love and forgiveness for all of mankind.

If he died for our sins, then we are forgiven them.

Our problem is that as failed humanity we don't /can't always recognise when we sin.
Isn't this the basis of the parable of the good samaritan..following religious duties to the extent we don't/won't see our fellow human in need of help/forgiveness.

David

John 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me.

all other sins have been paid for AT THE CROSS by my savior

rev 20:15 and whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

Are you saying God does not mean what he says... or even lieing...

wow

A Brethren IN CHRIST said:

Are you saying God does not mean what he says... or even lieing...!!!!!!

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This is unfortunately a problem with our interpretation (or mis ) of Gods word as far as I can see it.
Even the great medeival Theoelogians understood that we cannot fully understand God, he is mystery.
The one thing that seems sure is that God is love.
This can only mean he wills our good, forgives our sins and we change.
This may not take place on this earth but will when we come face to face with God.
The message of Our Lord hear on earth is exactly that.
David

dnich163 said:

I must admit that I have an issue here that is hard to reconcile.
I believe that all will be saved, sinners (which covers just about everybody anyway! ) unbelievers, fornicators, adulterers, murderers.........everyone !!
Why?
Because I feel it is not possible for any living being to be beyond the love of God, and that love is a forgiving love.
David

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You might want to try reading your Bible, instead of just talking about it. Your beliefs don't line up with the truth of God's Holy Word. God said that His people perish for a lack of knowledge. And if what you believe is true, then Jesus death on the cross was all in vain. Sheeeeesh!

rollinTHUNDER said:

You might want to try reading your Bible, instead of just talking about it. Your beliefs don't line up with the truth of God's Holy Word. God said that His people perish for a lack of knowledge. And if what you believe is true, then Jesus death on the cross was all in vain. Sheeeeesh!

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Hi there RT,

The problem with this idea is that we have a God who is not all powerful, who can be denied, who is not all loving.
This is not my idea of God.
David

evr read rev 20:11-15

rollinTHUNDER said:

You might want to try reading your Bible, instead of just ...............................what you believe is true, then Jesus death on the cross was all in vain. Sheeeeesh!

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Hi there RT,
The problem with a God who can be denied is that he is not all powerful, that he can be denied and rejected by man.
This is obviously not correct as it would mean exactly what you say; that Jesus died in vain.
David

genez said:

40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' " [/SIZE]

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Is Jesus saying, that if you did one of these to one of your friends..then you did one of those to Him? Thus getting granted Heaven?

So if your a good person, you are among the Sheep?

dnich163 said:

This is unfortunately a problem with our interpretation (or mis ) of Gods word as far as I can see it.
Even the great medeival Theoelogians understood that we cannot fully understand God, he is mystery.
The one thing that seems sure is that God is love.
This can only mean he wills our good, forgives our sins and we change.
This may not take place on this earth but will when we come face to face with God.
The message of Our Lord hear on earth is exactly that.
David

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God loves his children Not children of the devil...

why? it is His purpose to teach angels not just humans

dnich163 said:

Hi there RT,
The problem with a God who can be denied is that he is not all powerful, that he can be denied and rejected by man.
This is obviously not correct as it would mean exactly what you say; that Jesus died in vain.
David

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who God the father promised to Christ the Holy Spirit Gets.

Eph 1:4, rev 17:6?