FROST:
Nikolai has a good point here. Sure, the gospel is spreading into more parts of the world but society in the moral sense seems to be getting worse.
GW:
Compared to the state of the planet 2000 years ago, there is no question that both the moral sense and the covenantal reality of nations have been radically changed for the better by Christ and the Church. Here's a great quote from David Chilton about the progress of Christendom:
"Examples could be multiplied in every field. The whole rise of Western Civilization - science and technology, medicine, the arts, constitutionalism, the jury system, free enterprise, literacy, increasing productivity, a rising standard of living, the high status of women - is attributable to one major fact: the West has been transformed by Christianity. True, the transformation is not yet complete. There are many battles ahead. But the point is that, even in what is still largely an early Christian civilization, God has showered us with blessings." - David Chilton
FROST:
Just look at how liberalism and anti-christian beliefs have changed this country.
GW:
Well, just look at how Christian post- and a-millennialists built this great country!
And, sadly, just look at how Christian dispensationalists abandoned this country. Since the mid-1800s, C.I. Scofield and DL Moody and Hal Lindsey have been teaching a message that America is doomed "according to the bible." They even taught that voting and participation in civil duties were pointless. Such "prophetic inevitibility" and doomsaying doesn't create kingdom-buliders like Moses or Paul or George Washington--it creates only visionless do-nothing Christians. Only kingdom-advancing views such as preterism, postmillennialism, and certain ranks of amillennialism will be able to save our country and empower Christians to build newer and more godly ones for the future. America wasn't built by dispensationalists, but it sure has been hurt by them. Their theology of defeat must be resisted and trumped by the victorious truth about Christ and the kingdom.
FROST:
The crime rate going up, church attendance going down, no more prayer in school, gay marriages, the Supreme Court deciding whether or not God should be in the Pledge of Allegience, etc, etc. Surely we can agree on this downward trend and it doesn't speak kindly for the "new heavens and earth."
GW:
It doesn't speak kindly for the cowardice, abandonment, and dereliction of duty dispensationalists have taught to our country and the Church. Endtimes madness--like that which paralyzes most futurists and prevents them from experiencing the victory of our faith--must be ended if America is to return to her great heritage. The heathen liberals aren't supermen, they're just plain old pagans who believe there is a future, and that the future belongs to anyone with the courage to fight for it. We must not be fooled by the cowardly Christians that say "b-b-but...there are giants in the land! Only the Rapture can save us!"
Nikolai has a good point here. Sure, the gospel is spreading into more parts of the world but society in the moral sense seems to be getting worse.
GW:
Compared to the state of the planet 2000 years ago, there is no question that both the moral sense and the covenantal reality of nations have been radically changed for the better by Christ and the Church. Here's a great quote from David Chilton about the progress of Christendom:
"Examples could be multiplied in every field. The whole rise of Western Civilization - science and technology, medicine, the arts, constitutionalism, the jury system, free enterprise, literacy, increasing productivity, a rising standard of living, the high status of women - is attributable to one major fact: the West has been transformed by Christianity. True, the transformation is not yet complete. There are many battles ahead. But the point is that, even in what is still largely an early Christian civilization, God has showered us with blessings." - David Chilton
FROST:
Just look at how liberalism and anti-christian beliefs have changed this country.
GW:
Well, just look at how Christian post- and a-millennialists built this great country!
And, sadly, just look at how Christian dispensationalists abandoned this country. Since the mid-1800s, C.I. Scofield and DL Moody and Hal Lindsey have been teaching a message that America is doomed "according to the bible." They even taught that voting and participation in civil duties were pointless. Such "prophetic inevitibility" and doomsaying doesn't create kingdom-buliders like Moses or Paul or George Washington--it creates only visionless do-nothing Christians. Only kingdom-advancing views such as preterism, postmillennialism, and certain ranks of amillennialism will be able to save our country and empower Christians to build newer and more godly ones for the future. America wasn't built by dispensationalists, but it sure has been hurt by them. Their theology of defeat must be resisted and trumped by the victorious truth about Christ and the kingdom.
FROST:
The crime rate going up, church attendance going down, no more prayer in school, gay marriages, the Supreme Court deciding whether or not God should be in the Pledge of Allegience, etc, etc. Surely we can agree on this downward trend and it doesn't speak kindly for the "new heavens and earth."
GW:
It doesn't speak kindly for the cowardice, abandonment, and dereliction of duty dispensationalists have taught to our country and the Church. Endtimes madness--like that which paralyzes most futurists and prevents them from experiencing the victory of our faith--must be ended if America is to return to her great heritage. The heathen liberals aren't supermen, they're just plain old pagans who believe there is a future, and that the future belongs to anyone with the courage to fight for it. We must not be fooled by the cowardly Christians that say "b-b-but...there are giants in the land! Only the Rapture can save us!"
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