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Nathan Poe said:
And you know this how...?

Because you told me. I was just going by what you said.


The only way Genesis is "true" is by reinterpreting it to the point where it no longer means what it says on the page.

What is this, double talk? How could something no longer mean what it says. The Bible is truth. If you do not want to accept that, then there is no reason for us to have a conversation. We would just be spinning our wheels.

If we do not accept the Bible as being the Truth of God without error than this would no longer be a christian forum.
 
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JohnR7 said:
Because you told me. I was just going by what you said.

When did I ever say the world was going to be destroyed? That's your line.

What is this, double talk? How could something no longer mean what it says. The Bible is truth.

Says you.


If you do not want to accept that, then there is no reason for us to have a conversation. We would just be spinning our wheels.

Um, no. If I do not want to accept that, I would not be a Christian. Since I am not, then I don't have a problem with that.

If we do not accept the Bible as being the Truth of God without error than this would no longer be a christian forum.

Of course it would still be a Christian forum. It would be a forum with mostly Christians on it. But there's also a share of skeptics, scoffers, and non-believers here too. And like it or not, you're going to have to deal with us.

I certainly don't accept the Bible as literal or scientific truth. I have held it up to reality and saw the light shining through its holes.

You know this about me. This is another one of your attempts to derail the thread to mask your lack of a valid point. And this attempt is more pathetic than most. You used to have a talent for this sort of thing.
 
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Jet Black said:
John: would you try to argue that Isaac Newton's theory of gravity is absolutely correct?

Newton. I think they told me something about him 40 years ago, when I was in grade school. Was there a apple involved somewhere in that story. Or was that the one about throwing a feather off of the empire state building?
 
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Nathan Poe said:
When did I ever say the world was going to be destroyed? That's your line.

I said that you said that who said? We are going to spend our time trying to figure out who said what? Maybe we should spend a tiny bit of time to figure out what God said about it. I know what the pastor said. The pastor said that: Every act of disobedience has a consequence.
 
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JohnR7 said:
I said that you said that who said? We are going to spend our time trying to figure out who said what? Maybe we should spend a tiny bit of time to figure out what God said about it. I know what the pastor said. The pastor said that: Every act of disobedience has a consequence.

First you put words in my mouth, then you change the subject, then you quote a pastor who know less of the subject than you do, all while combining a pitiful attempt at humor with an even more pitiful threat of divine wrath.

And you claim to be inspired by the Holy Spirit. Didn't the HS teach you how to present yourself honestly?
 
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JohnR7 cannot be reasoned with, always goes off topic almost immediately, and begins to preach. I think he imagines that he is bringing souls to Christ. He has turned off many people. He is the only person on any forum that I have even considered ignoring. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.
 
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Nathan Poe said:
First you put words in my mouth,

I did not put any words in your mouth, just go back and read the thread. Why should I have to show you step by step what the conversation was we were having?

You can all ignore God if you want, but that is not going to make you any less accountable. It is amazing that you all seem to want man's knowledge and everything man has to say about it, but you want none of God's knowledge and you want to know nothing about what God has to say about it. The problem with that is, ultimately God is the one who is going to hold you accountable, not man. So the end result is that the only thing that matters is what God has to say about it.

Ezekiel 33:4-6
Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. [5] He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul. [6] But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
 
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Melange_Thief said:
John has ducked EVERY question thrown at him! He is ignored by me now.

I answer lots of quetions. Why don't you look at the length of my posts and compare that to everyone elses little tiny one line post. I have five people putting no effort at all into asking me lots of questions.

You just do not like the answers because they are Bible based answers and no one seems to want to know what the Bible says about it.
 
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Jet Black said:
yeap, endless preaching.

I give Bible based answers and you do not seem to want to know what the Bible has to say about it. You just want to hear man's opinions. Why do you come to a Christian forum if you do not want to know what the Christian perspective is? We have Bible truth here.
 
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but I believe the bible has nothing to say on the physical functioning of the universe. It does not give a literal account of how everything was created, because the data falsifies any attempt to take a literal account. hence when discussing creationism and scientific issues in here, the bible really has no place. you might as well quote the Qur'an, Necronomicon or Book of Thor at me for all I care, but your pseudoscience would still be wrong.
 
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JohnR7 said:
You can all ignore God if you want, but that is not going to make you any less accountable. It is amazing that you all seem to want man's knowledge and everything man has to say about it, but you want none of God's knowledge and you want to know nothing about what God has to say about it. The problem with that is, ultimately God is the one who is going to hold you accountable, not man. So the end result is that the only thing that matters is what God has to say about it.


but we are looking at the universe and how it works. we are looking at God's Greatest Work, the reality, which far outstrips the bible when it comes to physical descrioption. The bible is there as a guide as to how to live in order to get into heaven.
 
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Jet Black said:
but we are looking at the universe and how it works. we are looking at God's Greatest Work, the reality, which far outstrips the bible when it comes to physical descrioption. The bible is there as a guide as to how to live in order to get into heaven.

I got hired one summer to build sets for the stage. We were working on the play: "The King & I". The problem was that the designer wanted to take his drafting machine and push if off his table and he would just start to draw pretty pictures. The drawing looked real nice, but it was almost impossible to build them. There was a big problem with the measurement just not being accurate and in some cases not realistic.

That is what Darwin did for science. He said it's to hard to try and follow the Bible. So he threw the Bible out and just started to draw pretty word pictures. But his theorys did not line up with the truth of the Bible.

There is enough truth given in the Bible about creation to keep people in the truth and on course. But to often man wants to ignore the truth of God. The Bible is not designed to do your work for you and give you all the answers. God does not want to spoon feed lazy people. Brand new converts are considered baby christians and God may spoon feed them. But as they grow and mature, then God expects more from them.
 
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forget about darwin for a minute. what deduction would you draw from all the evidence for an old earth in the dozens of threads that you have participated in? Creationism and a literal interpretation of the bible has been falsified countless times. No sane independent observer could match up the reality of what we see with the account given in the bible. On the issue of how the world came to be, the Bible is empirically incorrect.... It might have a good moral message and get you into heaven if you follow the rules, but empirically it is incorrect.
 
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JohnR7 said:
I did not put any words in your mouth, just go back and read the thread. Why should I have to show you step by step what the conversation was we were having?

Because apparantly we're not having the same conversation.

NP: Now John, you have a lot of room to work with: Biology, Geology, Cosmology, Chemistry, Physics, etc... What great scientific advances can we attribute to Moses that have stood the test of time?

JR7: Science only deals with the temperal [sic] world, the things that are going to be destroyed? Or maybe recycled would be more accurate if you want to look at it from a scientific perspective.

NP: When did I ever say the world was going to be destroyed? That's your line.

This would be about the point where you go completely off topic, start idolizing your pastor, and threaten to sic your pet god on me:)

JR7: I said that you said that who said? We are going to spend our time trying to figure out who said what? Maybe we should spend a tiny bit of time to figure out what God said about it. I know what the pastor said. The pastor said that: Every act of disobedience has a consequence.

My question still stands: When did I ever say that the "temporal" world was going to be destroyed and/or recycled? That might be your definition, but you know I never said it.


JohnR7 said:
You can all ignore God if you want, but that is not going to make you any less accountable.

Threats don't work on me, Johnny; you know that.


JohnR7 said:
It is amazing that you all seem to want man's knowledge and everything man has to say about it, but you want none of God's knowledge and you want to know nothing about what God has to say about it.

Well, in all fairness, I haven't heard any of God's knowledge. I've heard a great deal of man's alleged knowledge of God, and a good deal of it, yours in particular, is laughable.

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The problem with that is, ultimately God is the one who is going to hold you accountable, not man. So the end result is that the only thing that matters is what God has to say about it.

If/When that day comes, I'm not conerned. Why should I be? You seem to believe that you have a free pass into heaven, and you've done more to destroy faith in God than I would ever want to. If you can get in, then I'm a shoe-in for sainthood!

[irrelevent Bible verse snipped]

Now, my original question still stands: When did I say or imply that the world is going to be destroyed? It's a simple question, well within your ability to answer.
 
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Nathan Poe said:
Because apparantly we're not having the same conversation.

NP: Now John, you have a lot of room to work with: Biology, Geology, Cosmology, Chemistry, Physics, etc... What great scientific advances can we attribute to Moses that have stood the test of time?

Everything Moses wrote has stood the test of time. You can take anything in Biology, Geology, Cosmology, Chemistry, Physics, etc... and check it against what Moses wrote to see if it's true or not. If it conflicts with what Moses wrote, then it's not true.
 
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