Calvinism... Discussion of Doctrine?

humblejoe said:

I don't consider Catholicism to be a denomination. And I have no qualms about pursuing the Catholic "string."

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What is Catholicism? A whole new religion?...geez

HopeTheyDance said:

I agree a lot with your post...however, if someone outright attacks what someone believes and calls it a theology of Satan...I think those who follow that theology have every right to defend their stance.....

Im sick of these debates also - but understand them - especially when it is obvious the original poster wanted to debate the topic.

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As a freelancer, I respect every rights of everyone, and I sway no bias to any christians because of my beliefs that I should learn from each and every(getting there..) Christian.

So yes you have every right to defend you stance.

Also as a freelancer, I see flaws in the catholic church, anglican, presbyterian, protestant, baptists.....all over.

If we're going to debate against each other, we're going to be so cowardly into hammering each others flaws and before you know it, it'd be E-Ireland (no offence to any Irish people, apologies in advance).

I hate watching Ireland and it's civil war. As a Christian it hurts, just as much as every other Christian in this world.

If theres a flaw of belief, it's better to ask or question it to members, maybe they could fix it or help explain it. With one acception, being lukewarm with the homosexuality issue. The decision of the uniting church has made me so so so furious, for the last 2 days I have been so angry...


But theres no doubt, no one wants to hear any Christian arguments.

Icystwolf said:

What is Catholicism? A whole new religion?...geez

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Actually I am pretty sure that Catholics do not consider Catholicism to be a 'denomination' either, because they think the Catholic Church is the one true church and to call it a denomination would reletivise it.

Yahweh Nissi said:

Actually I am pretty sure that Catholics do not consider Catholicism to be a 'denomination' either, because they think the Catholic Church is the one true church and to call it a denomination would reletivise it.

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Then errrumm....what is it?

Well I would call it a denomination myself, sorry, I should have said that. It is just that if people say Catholicism is not a denomination then it is not necessarily because they are saying Catholics are not Christians, because Catholics themselves do not consider it to be a denomination. They think (this is the view expressed by many Catholics in these forums) that the Catholic Church is the one true church, not that there are various churches of different denominations.

Yahweh Nissi said:

Actually I am pretty sure that Catholics do not consider Catholicism to be a 'denomination' either, because they think the Catholic Church is the one true church and to call it a denomination would reletivise it.

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This is correct.

Silver Surfer said:

No, I never got into the Michael archangel thing. The mission of Adventists is to give the 3 angels messages of Revelation 14:6-12. That's what God has given to Adventist to do.

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Are you going to actually hang around and defend your screed, or are you going to wimp away and avoid having to face the words that come out of your mouth?

It's just a question, a simple question. And one for which I would like an answer before I have anything at all to say to you.

Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.

P.S. I'd like a statement of your beliefs and a knowledge of your church denomination. You see, if you are a Oneness Pentecostal, then there is little point in me defending the Biblical truths of Calvinism when you don't even know the Lord, what with being an anti-Trinitarian Modalist. My interaction with you would need to be more fundamental.

Woody- SDA.

Yahweh Nissi said:

Well I would call it a denomination myself, sorry, I should have said that. It is just that if people say Catholicism is not a denomination then it is not necessarily because they are saying Catholics are not Christians, because Catholics themselves do not consider it to be a denomination. They think (this is the view expressed by many Catholics in these forums) that the Catholic Church is the one true church, not that there are various churches of different denominations.

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So catholics think they are right, and everyone else is wrong, and every other church is a spawn of evil.

Well in that case...lol...I suppose the catholic church isn't christian then, it's considered catholicism as a religion.

Even though I've been through a catholic school and highschool, I just cannot bring myself to believe that Mary is some sort of goddess. Like I mean a statue of her, as well an alter right in front of her...eeekks....
even the prayer, Mary mother of God....which implies she's well....infront of God, there before God......Oh well I've had my conflicts

Icystwolf said:

So catholics think they are right, and everyone else is wrong, and every other church is a spawn of evil.

Well in that case...lol...I suppose the catholic church isn't christian then, it's considered catholicism as a religion.

Even though I've been through a catholic school and highschool, I just cannot bring myself to believe that Mary is some sort of goddess. Like I mean a statue of her, as well an alter right in front of her...eeekks....
even the prayer, Mary mother of God....which implies she's well....infront of God, there before God......Oh well I've had my conflicts

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I can't debate you here, but I can request that you not tell lies about what the RCC teaches. I refer you to the many threads in IDD where these issues are being discussed.

Icystwolf said:

So catholics think they are right, and everyone else is wrong, and every other church is a spawn of evil.

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No.

Well in that case...lol...I suppose the catholic church isn't christian then, it's considered catholicism as a religion.

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That's your opinion and I suppose you are entitled to it.

Even though I've been through a catholic school and highschool, I just cannot bring myself to believe that Mary is some sort of goddess. Like I mean a statue of her, as well an alter right in front of her...eeekks....
even the prayer, Mary mother of God....which implies she's well....infront of God, there before God......Oh well I've had my conflicts

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May I ask you a question? How did you come to these conclusions with the abundance of Catholic education you have in your background?

Michelle

Well in that case...lol...I suppose the catholic church isn't christian then, it's considered catholicism as a religion.

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You are drawing conclusions from what someone else stated and I confirmed. Instead of drawing conclusions and assuming we are not Christian why don't you ask Catholics what they mean by this instead of just drawing your own conclusions and putting assumptions on the Catholic Church saying that they believe protestants are evil? That is a false perception.

humblejoe said:

I don't consider Catholicism to be a denomination. And I have no qualms about pursuing the Catholic "string."

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Catholicism is a denomination. And no one's going to hell just because they don't belong to a Catholic church either.

To all,

When anyone starts a thread with "Satan's own Doctrine" as part of the title, I think we can all be assured that the thread will deteriorate quickly.

Well said Auntie.

Also,
With all the calvinist threads going on recently did we really need this one?

Shelb5 said:

You are drawing conclusions from what someone else stated and I confirmed. Instead of drawing conclusions and assuming we are not Christian why don't you ask Catholics what they mean by this instead of just drawing your own conclusions and putting assumptions on the Catholic Church saying that they believe protestants are evil? That is a false perception.

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Actually, Michelle, I don't have to draw any conclusions. All I have to do is read the Council of Trent to figure out that the Catholic Church officially declares me to be anathema. Seeing that the Catholic Church has not revoked the declarations of the Council of Trent, I see no reason to believe that the Catholic Church has changed its mind.

Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.

Knight said:

Well said Auntie.

Also,
With all the calvinist threads going on recently did we really need this one?

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Well, you know, we make such interesting and stimulating conversation that we are naturally the subject of a large number of threads.

Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.