Jesus is a Prophet

It sounds in confirmation with the view of all Christian scholars. It is correct. See what Prof C.S. Lewis, Professor of Medieval and Renaissance Literature, remarked:

"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic--on the level with a man who says he is a poached egg--or he would be the devil of hell. You must take your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us". ("Mere Christianity", Macmillan company, New York).


Amen to that!

proph·et ([font=verdana, sans-serif] P [/font]) Pronunciation Key (pr f t)
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1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.

By all means Jesus was a prophet. He fits the definition 100%. Remember, though he was the son of God and he was divine, he also said that he spoke what God commanded him to speak through the holy spirit, this is where Jesus was speaking of divine inspiration, and also remember through Jesus Gods will was expressed. Jesus is both a divine being and a prophet.

Crispie said:

proph·et ([font=verdana, sans-serif] P [/font]) Pronunciation Key (pr

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n.

1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.

By all means Jesus was a prophet. He fits the definition 100%. Remember, though he was the son of God and he was divine, he also said that he spoke what God commanded him to speak through the holy spirit, this is where Jesus was speaking of divine inspiration, and also remember through Jesus Gods will was expressed. Jesus is both a divine being and a prophet.

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Jesus didn't have divine inspiration like your definition makes. He had divine KNOWLEDGE.

Look, read this definition of inspiration.


Divine guidance or influence exerted directly on the mind and soul of humankind.

Tell me that Jesus did not have that, cant can you? Read the bible, Jesus clearly said that what he said was what God commanded him to say through the Holy Spirit. Thats as divine as guidence gets

Crispie said:

Look, read this definition of inspiration.


Divine guidance or influence exerted directly on the mind and soul of humankind.

Tell me that Jesus did not have that, cant can you? Read the bible, Jesus clearly said that what he said was what God commanded him to say through the Holy Spirit. Thats as divine as guidence gets

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But Jesus was God too though. That whole trinity thing again...

rainbowprism said:

But Jesus was God too though. That whole trinity thing again...

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Doesnt mean he cant be a prophet.

Ok, when I am wrong I will admit it. I checked out Deuteronomy 18:15 and realized my error in reasoning. I mean when I was explaining before that Jesus has many functions--as a revelator, ruler and reconciler. I thought you were trying to say he was ONLY a prophet. So what I mean is this:

As prophet, Jesus reveals the Father and heavenly truth; as king, Jesus rules over all the universe; as priest, he makes our salvation possible..

So sorry, I misunderstood.

Ah I see what you mean, yeah I guess we just had a confusion on what exactly we thought eachother were saying. Gravy!

I didn't read any replies, but I found the topic post to be Very interesting.

Was not Jesus born of a virgin? How is he in any respect only a prophet when he is God's own seed, "Behold, this is my son, with whom I am well pleased". Also, you need to understand Jesus wasn't proving himself, or any religion at all. Infact he set out to destroy the churches of the time, and spoke against religion. What did he teach? Be loving and peacful, obey God's commandments, and learn the ways of the light as he did. He even said "as the vessels of a potter shall they be shattered to pieces, EVEN AS I RECIEVED OF THE FATHER". He did however say himself, in many instances, he was the judgment and the right hand of the father.

What does being born of a virgin have to do with this?!

I just want, at this point, to log into the debate of this thread.
I'm plodding through the early postings, and they are very good: so I have to take time; and it could be some time before I can read through to current postings.
But, first thoughts.
I welcome the added perspectival dimension to seeing Jesus, that is given by a living Islamic appreciation of his life, work, and divine consequnce. I would also commend the respectful patience of the origonal Islamic poster.
I see no conflicts between the various ways of seeing Jesus: as man, as prophet, as servant, as Christ, as Son of God; although I do have trouble seeing Jesus as God, some but not all of the time.
I have an understanding of what it is to be a prophet: through the OT; and through the potential to my own being, which I of course am not fitted to take up.
But, for me, and at some distance, it seems that Islam still has an almost tribal collective vitality, that the Hebrews had, and the Jews have: and that we in the Protestant and cerebral West, may have somewhat lost.
For an Islamic believer to revitalise, from the living ground of their own faith, what it is to be a prophet; is for us to be given a valuable gift.
I would eschew the sense that Jesus as God was being challenged. If our faith that Jesus is God remains strong: then how can that faith be challenged; simply in viewing Jesus as another sees Jesus.
I suspect, and the sense was strong as I read the early posts: that because, through the faith of our Islamic poster, we glimpse God, through Islamic prism, and any manifestation of God is good; that we then have some enlivened God sense, that allows us to see Jesus ever more clearly.
To see Jesus as prophet, through the faith eye of Islam, and have sense of God through that Islamic faith in God: is to have gifts to bring to any faith in Jesus as God; that has genuine depth and strength.

I hope I haven't prattled; and that I arrange my return to this thread.

Hello PI

PurelyIslam said:

Check ur verbs ...my mind as u said (orders, knows , thinks) of what i will write it does not (read) what i will write..

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1- These are your own words

Hmm..thats not very accurate..Why? cuz u assumed that i have thought of it in my mind...What if i didnt even think of it?!

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You are the one who first used the verb to "think" to refer to reading by your mind.and my questions were built upon your own words.

PurelyIslam said:

taking u back to ur original question who was worshipping Allah before the creation. ?...If Allah has not created anything (since u say before creation) then naturally there was no worshipping for the thing on whom this verb must be activated does not exist...

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++ Well my friend, you said that before creation there was no one to worship Allah. Can you define the word *god* in a diffention that suits God who's unchangable and in no need for anything/one ?
++ Before creation, your Allah was all-hearing? hearing whom? or He's all-hearing, but since there's no one to hear, He was not hearing anyone, and then after creation, He started to hear the creation [i.e. changed]?

love,
new_manII

new_manII said:

Hello PI
1- These are your own words

You are the one who first used the verb to "think" to refer to reading by your mind.and my questions were built upon your own words.

++ Well my friend, you said that before creation there was no one to worship Allah. Can you define the word *god* in a diffention that suits God who's unchangable and in no need for anything/one ?
++ Before creation, your Allah was all-hearing? hearing whom? or He's all-hearing, but since there's no one to hear, He was not hearing anyone, and then after creation, He started to hear the creation [i.e. changed]?

love,
new_manII

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Um dude, like I said before, theirs a difference between needing and wanting. I dont need a computer, but I sure want one!

new_manII said:

who was worshipping Allah before the creation

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It is a chicken & egg type of question... anyway, what's the purpose and significance of this question?

new_manII said:

You are the one who first used the verb to "think" to refer to reading by your mind.and my questions were built upon your own words.

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The word "reading" is not usually used to represent the mental activity before doing something.

Consider this:
1. Read your mind before you act vs. think before you act.
2. Read your mind before you post your message vs. think before you post your message.

Let say for the sake of argument your definition of reading can be applied here. However, still 'reading one's mind' before writing would depend on the duration of time before writing.

Hello everyone
thanks Crispie and IronEagle for your posts.
I think purelyIslam said it that there were no one to worship Allah before the creation.
and I asked a question,
++ Can you define the word *god* in a diffention that suits God who's unchangable and in no need for anything/one ?
++ Before creation, your Allah was all-hearing? hearing whom? or He's all-hearing, but since there's no one to hear, He was not hearing anyone, and then after creation, He started to hear the creation [i.e. changed]?

Any answer?

Thanks
nmII

++ Can you define the word *god* in a diffention that suits God who's unchangable and in no need for anything/one?

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God doesn't need anything or anyone, thats what muslims believe too. So whats the point of this question?

As for the word(s): AL-GHANI (The Self-Sufficient), AL-QAYYUM (The Self-subsisting), MALIK-UL-MULK (The Eternal Owner Of Sovereignty). Here is the complete list of 99 names of God that depict some of the characteristics of God.
Link: http://www.dawateislami.net/general/devotions/99names/

++ Before creation, your Allah was all-hearing? hearing whom? or He's all-hearing, but since there's no one to hear, He was not hearing anyone, and then after creation, He started to hear the creation [i.e. changed]?

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The ability to hear doesn't depend on someone to hear.

You missed my question: what's the purpose and significance of [these] question?

hello IE
I asked about a diffention of the word "god" and you said
AL-QAYYUM: The One who's being by himself and caring for /saving/keeping everything

القائم بذاته الحافظ لكلِّ شيء

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So before creation, what was Allah caring for /saving/keeping ?
or He was not a god before creation?

++ MALIK-UL-MULK: literal meaning is "the owner of what can be owned".
So before creation, What was owned by Allah, in order to be "the Owner of what can be owned" ? or He owned nothing before creation [i.e. according to your diffention of "god", Allah was not a god before creation]?

++ God is All-Hearing.
According to Quran, Allah was hearing nothing Before creation. He needs something to talk to Him, in order to hear it. right? or He hears while there's nothing? if so, to whom he listens ?

thanks,
nmII

Joh 10:1 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
Joh 10:4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers."
Joh 10:6 This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them.
Joh 10:7 So Jesus again said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.
Joh 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
Joh 10:12 He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.
Joh 10:13 He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me,
Joh 10:15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again.
Joh 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father."

so, if Jesus was a prophet of God, then when he said this, what do muslims think of it?