The beasts of Rev.13 - Arafat and Abu Mazen

ephraim · Jul 13, 2003

The Beast of the Sea - Revelation 13

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns. The ten horns are ten kings, Rev. 17:12. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth, Rev. 17:9. Mountains in scripture also mean nations. Therefore, seven heads are also seven nations.

These seven nations are Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Jordan and Egypt. The ten kings are all the present rulers of these countries plus the three that are subdued by Arafat. These are Netanyahu, Barak and Ariel Sharon. That makes ten. Arafat is the little horn, which is the eleventh, and represents the land of Palestine. Collectively these nations compose the beast of Revelation 13 with Arafat as their leader.

The beast with seven heads and ten horns is Yasser Arafat. He is mentioned in Dan. 11:23. "And after a league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people". Dan. 9:27 says it more precisely. " And he [Arafat] shall confirm the covenant with many [Rabin] for one week".

There is a major difference between the beast, false prophet and the Antichrist. These are three separate individuals. Second Thessalonians chapter 2 talks about the man of sin. This is the Antichrist. He cannot be revealed until the falling away first. This falling away happens when Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven. This is written in Rev. chapter 12. The Antichrist is Satan. He will not be revealed until the rapture happens first.

This only leaves the false prophet, Abu Mazen. This man has all the power of the first beast [ARAFAT] and causes them to worship him, whose deadly wound was healed. Rev 13:3, "And I saw one of his heads [mountains or nations] as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed". This land Arafat has received through the peace process, which was entirely occupied by Israel, is the deadly head [nation] wound.

In other words, the head [nation] that wasn't a country is now a country and is in the process of being healed. The sword in this verse represents war, Rev 13:14.

ARAFAT is 666. Once power is given the false prophet and the Muslims take over Jerusalem they will worship Arafat as if he is god. Jesus is LORD.

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The Seven Kings - this prophecy shall be in addition to, The beasts of Rev.13 - Arafat and Abu Mazen

"And here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the women sitteth", Rev.17:9.

The mystery of the seven kings is one of the biggest stumbling blocks to the understanding of bible prophecy. As a result of the misinterpretation of this prophecy, mainstream prophecy scholars have caused all other prophecies to be misinterpreted. They have linked the meaning of Rev.17 to Nebuchadnezzar's dream of Daniel 2. The only portion of this dream that pertains to Rev.17 is the last kingdom of iron and clay. It has 5 kings of iron and 5 of clay. The iron ones are strong and the clay ones are brittle. This prophecy goes with Rev.13 in as much as 3 of the kings are subdued by Arafat. I believe the other two are Egypt and Jordan. These countries have a peace treaty with Israel. The 5 iron countries are the Palestinian Authority, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran. The misinterpretation of this prophecy has brought about such ideas as the Revived Roman Empire and the beast coming from Rome. Rome is not the seat of the beast empire and woe to those who lead many astray with this confusion. The last beast empire is Islamic.

" And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space". In 1948, in Israel's war for independence, they were attacked by 5 Arab nations. These nations are Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt.

All of these nations lost the war and in 1949 four of them signed armistice agreements. Iraq was the only holdout. "And one is", refers to Israel. Israel won its war of independence. The other that had not yet come was Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Authority. In 1967, after another failed assault on Israel, Gaza was taken from Egypt and the West Bank from Jordan. After years of terrorism and pressure from the international community, Israel decided it would give back lands taken in the 1967 war for guarantees of security and in effect let the Arabs police their own people. In 1993, after years of negotiation, the Oslo Accords were implemented and became the next failure in Israeli-Palestinian relations.

"And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition" ,Revelation 17:11. Due to evidence in Israel and the United States as to Yasser Arafat's participation and funding of terrorist acts both countries ended negotiations with him and called for new Palestinian leadership. Abu Mazen was elected new Palestinian Prime Minister and is the eighth and is of the seventh. He has all the power of the first beast, Arafat, and causes them to worship him whose deadly wound was healed. The deadly head [Nation] wound is the land taken by Israel in the 1967 war and wanted by the Arabs for a Palestinian homeland. As land is given back to the Arabs through negotiation it is being healed. The connection that has to be made concerning this prophecy is that 7 heads are 7 mountains and the 7 mountains are 7 nations. In other words when mountains are used in scripture many times it is referring to nations.

The Watchman of Ephraim - Hosea 9:8

Atkin · Jul 13, 2003

THE PLANET WOULD BE CONTROLLED by The Beast of Revelation 13

Christian nations AND Jews would play the major roles together with others

Your scenario ignores the world other than the Middle East. That is incorrect.

Yasser Arafat cannot control anything more than a section of Palestinians.

Arafat cannot exert any control over the nations of Europe, Asia, Africa, UK, Australia etc

Imagine Arafat controlling USA . impossible Rapture or no rapture.

Iraq is American territory now .... .

One correct point though, many are assuming or interpreting a repeat performance of old Rome and are reading much into the EU as some revived Roman Empire.

Their mood for massive warring seems reduced, though things could change.

You are correct in that many are being misled to think the seat of the Beast's power

would be in Rome/ Europe. That is a deceptive belief and God's end time scenario

will have many elements that may not be seen that apparently.

cbk · Jul 14, 2003

I'll throw in my two cents.

I believe the Beast of Revelation to be the quartet that is mandated to bring peace to Israel under U.N. Resolution 1403.

The U.S., Russia, the U.N., and the E.U., together are this quartet and thus, together, may be the beast with 7 heads and ten horns.

This Revelation beast of 7 heads and ten horns are the COMBINED beasts of Daniel. Each beast in Daniel is a SEPERATE entity.

The U.S. may be the first beast, like a lion, that stands like a man and is given a man's heart. 1 head and 0 horns.

Russia may be the second beast, like a bear. 1 head and 0 horns.

The U.N. may be the third beast, a leopard. 4 heads and 0 horns.

And, the E.U. may be the fourth beast, horrible (in the future). 1 head and 10 horns.

Add the four seperate beasts together, as they are in the quartet, and you get a beast that resembles a lion, bear, and leopard and has 7 heads and 10 horns.

In essence, these four rule the world, especially when you throw the U.N. into the equation. And, these four have the task, under U.N. resolution 1403 to bring peace and implement plans immediately!

Imagine this beast after a rapture. How it could turn its peaceful plan into wrath against the Jews under the authority of this resolution when faithful Christians are not there to lobby our agenda.

Rafael · Jul 15, 2003

Ever hear of the Council of Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission? They have the world marked off into a 10 nation financial grid and believe national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established. The Trilateral Commission is international and intends to be the vehicle for multi-national consolidation of the commerce and banking interests by seizing control of the United States. What they truly intend is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political government of any nations involved. As managers and creators of the system, they rule the world.
By 1987 the TC controlled over 60% of the worlds wealth through banks, presidents of multinationals, media moguls, politicians, and university authorities. NAFTA added Mexico to Region 1 which also has Canada and the United States.
At the suggestion of the CFR, Nixon initiated a special enforcement arm of the executive branch called FEMA - federal emergency managment agency. The new world order is upon us and ready for "crisis managment".
Major heads of the media are members of the CFR and TC, so can you trust everything you here on the news?
The long range goal is to destroy national sovereignty and bring in a world financial government ruled by them.

Rev.13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

These wise financial and political leaders are not Christians. They are New-Agers, and some outright occultists channeling with demons. Most of them outright hate fundamental Christians which would be no surprise when it is satan that controls them.

I thought I'd throw this in for interest sake:
The meditation room in the UN has a large black block of stone. Behind it is an abstract of what might be the sun or an all seeing eye of Osiris. New Age guru Shri Chinmoy who leads meditation there says: The UN is a chosen messenger of God....a divine messenger.....One day the world will treasure the soul of the UN as its very own.

cbk · Jul 15, 2003

raphe said:
Ever hear of the Council of Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission? They have the world marked off into a 10 nation financial grid and believe national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established. The Trilateral Commission is international and intends to be the vehicle for multi-national consolidation of the commerce and banking interests by seizing control of the United States. What they truly intend is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political government of any nations involved. As managers and creators of the system, they rule the world.
By 1987 the TC controlled over 60% of the worlds wealth through banks, presidents of multinationals, media moguls, politicians, and university authorities. NAFTA added Mexico to Region 1 which also has Canada and the United States.
At the suggestion of the CFR, Nixon initiated a special enforcement arm of the executive branch called FEMA - federal emergency managment agency. The new world order is upon us and ready for "crisis managment".
Major heads of the media are members of the CFR and TC, so can you trust everything you here on the news?
The long range goal is to destroy national sovereignty and bring in a world financial government ruled by them.

Rev.13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

These wise financial and political leaders are not Christians. They are New-Agers, and some outright occultists channeling with demons. Most of them outright hate fundamental Christians which would be no surprise when it is satan that controls them.

I thought I'd throw this in for interest sake:
The meditation room in the UN has a large black block of stone. Behind it is an abstract of what might be the sun or an all seeing eye of Osiris. New Age guru Shri Chinmoy who leads meditation there says: The UN is a chosen messenger of God....a divine messenger.....One day the world will treasure the soul of the UN as its very own.

Seems to me that the U.N. is growing as the rebuilt Babylon.

Again, it seems to represent the uniting of the peoples of the world, thus reversing God's act of seperating us at the tower of Babel. Looks like their anti-godly religion is growing, as well.

Also, I believe it has created the quartet that is impressing its power over Israel and Palestine.

Atkin · Jul 15, 2003

We live in a very selfish and advanced world.

A world body like the UN has good sides and may have a bod side.

But the tower of babel happened at a time when we did not have the INTERNET, AIR TRAVEL competition between nations for oil, gold etc.

That means some world body would be needed else we would have'

anarchy, total war over oil etc. babel must be understood properly, Babel does not mean we cannot have any communications at all between nations.

The UN also does not mean nations would be united.

NATIONS will never unite because of competition over

food
oil
gold
energy
finance etc

The UN is less powerful than CFR, TRC etc

cbk · Jul 16, 2003

Atkin said:
We live in a very selfish and advanced world.

A world body like the UN has good sides and may have a bod side.

But the tower of babel happened at a time when we did not have the INTERNET, AIR TRAVEL competition between nations for oil, gold etc.

That means some world body would be needed else we would have'

anarchy, total war over oil etc. babel must be understood properly, Babel does not mean we cannot have any communications at all between nations.

The UN also does not mean nations would be united.

NATIONS will never unite because of competition over

food
oil
gold
energy
finance etc

The UN is less powerful than CFR, TRC etc

I do not see where a body would have to be "united" in EVERY aspect to be considered "united". Christians are united in Christ, but you certainly wouldn't believe they were united on the surface. Just look at the divisions and debates and lack of fellowship between the religions. Yet, they are united in Christ.

The U.N. is an evil organization that is trying "to make a name for itself". And I seriously disagree if you believe that without the U.N. that the world would be in anarchy, total war over oil, etc. To the contrary, I believe the world would be better without the U.N. and with smaller alliances/organizations such a NATO, etc.

Unity, however, could exist in the U.N. in terms of
1) Unity against God.
2) Unity against Jesus.
3) Unity against the Jews.

Especially if a Christian rapture would to occur.

Donny_B · Jul 16, 2003

A study of the four beasts in Daniel Chapter 7 will show that Revelation 13's first beast is the same as the fourth beast described in Daniel 7:7.
A study of Nebuchadnezzar's image in Daniel Chapter 2 and the timed prophecy of the 70 weeks of years in Daniel Chapter 9, along with recorded history of the great empire around at the time of Jesus's earthly ministry, shows this to have been Rome.

I believe that the first beast of Revelation 13 is a political entity that has arisen out of Rome, and the second beast is an ecclesiastical entity, of which the false prophet comes.

cbk · Jul 16, 2003

Donny_B said:
A study of the four beasts in Daniel Chapter 7 will show that Revelation 13's first beast is the same as the fourth beast described in Daniel 7:7.
A study of Nebuchadnezzar's image in Daniel Chapter 2 and the timed prophecy of the 70 weeks of years in Daniel Chapter 9, along with recorded history of the great empire around at the time of Jesus's earthly ministry, shows this to have been Rome.

I believe that the first beast of Revelation 13 is a political entity that has arisen out of Rome, and the second beast is an ecclesiastical entity, of which the false prophet comes.

I've heard it argued that the 4th beast of Daniel is the First Beast of Revelation, but if you add the four together you get 7 heads and 10 horns.

In Daniel, the fourth beast is not mentioned as having 7 heads. But, all four together would resemble a lion, bear, leopard, and a seven headed and ten horned organization/alliance.

But, I do not know with 100% certainty one way or the other.

Donny_B · Jul 17, 2003

By using the pattern given in Daniel, beasts refer to kingdoms (or empires), not people. Horns refer to kings (or emperors). Note that Revelation 13's first beast has seven heads and ten horns. Revelation 13's second beast has two horns.

cbk · Jul 17, 2003

Donny_B said:
By using the pattern given in Daniel, beasts refer to kingdoms (or empires), not people. Horns refer to kings (or emperors). Note that Revelation 13's first beast has seven heads and ten horns. Revelation 13's second beast has two horns.

But, what would you call 4 empires/kingdoms who joined together in an alliance for the SOLE purpose of imposing their WILL upon Israel?? IE, the quartet of the U.S., Russia, U.N, and E.U. How would they be described in prophecy if they were described in prophecy??? As a beast?

Donny_B · Jul 17, 2003

The beasts of Revelation are described perfectly in the Bible in metaphorical language that the wise would eventually understand. The language was written in such a way that would speak to generations throughout the history of the Church.

Today's political conglomerates must have the same underpinnings of control as those that have been around since the time of Christ nearly 2000 years ago.

Atkin · Jul 18, 2003

cbk said:
I do not see where a body would have to be "united" in EVERY aspect to be considered "united". Christians are united in Christ, but you certainly wouldn't believe they were united on the surface. Just look at the divisions and debates and lack of fellowship between the religions. Yet, they are united in Christ.

The U.N. is an evil organization that is trying "to make a name for itself". And I seriously disagree if you believe that without the U.N. that the world would be in anarchy, total war over oil, etc. To the contrary, I believe the world would be better without the U.N. and with smaller alliances/organizations such a NATO, etc.

Unity, however, could exist in the U.N. in terms of
1) Unity against God.
2) Unity against Jesus.
3) Unity against the Jews.

Especially if a Christian rapture would to occur.

We are looking at the UN's functions from its conception till now, that is in pre - rapture
times. One cannot have a basis for analysing the UN in a future post rapture scenario.

Even Christians are grossly divided as at now regarding the Jews.

Again, the struggle over Earth's resources is what creates problems on the Planet.

Place Christ at the head of the UN (some form of global government will exist under Christ/God) and the UN would function perfectly.

It is the mentality of the human, not necessarily the UN concept.

Atkin · Jul 18, 2003

The UN overlaps with the EU. The UN is not a conquering empire as Greek (led by Alexander the great) ,Babylon (led by Nebuchadnezzar) type Empire beasts ( not in its history so far)

The USA forms part of the UN... and they both exist simultaneously, not so for the beast heads which typically form successive empires/kingdoms eg Assyria falls, next Babylon comes up, next Medo-Persian empire etc

Russia is also a member of the UN thus overlaps with that body, not isolated from it.

The scripture is consistent regarding Beasts/heads of beasts. They are independent

conquering empires , not overlapping nations-alliances as we see above.

Nazi Germany had the characteristics of a beast (as compared to the old beasts), however it lasted only for a short while.

At this time, an all conquering empire has not really exhibited its full power yet

post WW2 and post fall of Berlin Wall. A Greek empire Beast type led by an Alexander the great example is yet to be seen.... time will tell.

ephraim · Jul 26, 2003

By using the pattern given in Daniel, beasts refer to kingdoms (or empires), not people. Horns refer to kings (or emperors). Note that Revelation 13's first beast has seven heads and ten horns. Revelation 13's second beast has two horns.

I have also seen the second beast of Revelation 13 as two kings.
These two kings are Yasser Arafat and Abu Mazen. They both
represent the Palestinian Authority. The second beast or the false
prophet will cause them to worship or pay homage to the first beast,
Yasser Arafat. This is already in the making. One of Abu Mazen's
negotiating points is to get Israel to allow Arafat freedom of movement.
Once Arafat is able to travel freely, this will again set the stage for
him to tour the world and allow the left wing propagandists to
portray him as the savior of the Palestinian people... Ephraim Hosea 9:8

Donny_B · Jul 26, 2003

I believe that both beasts of Revelation 13 are Rome, or the Roman Empire. I believe that the second beast that comes out of the Earth with two horns like a lamb and speaks as a dragon represents the paganized religious sytstem that came out of the Roman Empire and its two major divisions of East and West with an Eastern Bishop/Patriarch and Western Bishop/Pope.

cbk · Jul 26, 2003

Atkin said:
We are looking at the UN's functions from its conception till now, that is in pre - rapture
times. One cannot have a basis for analysing the UN in a future post rapture scenario.

Even Christians are grossly divided as at now regarding the Jews.

Again, the struggle over Earth's resources is what creates problems on the Planet.

Place Christ at the head of the UN (some form of global government will exist under Christ/God) and the UN would function perfectly.

It is the mentality of the human, not necessarily the UN concept.

I disagree. One can have a basis for analysing the UN in a future post rapture scenario -- minus Christians, it will be worse for the Jews.

Number 2, you are right! Place Christ at the head of the UN and the UN would function perfectly. But, Christ is not at the head of the UN, nor do the people want him there. Now, place Satan or an anti-Christ there and you get a world body that is imperfect.

Yes, the UN concept is good, but it will not work unless CHrist is at the head. Christ is not at the head, therefore it will not work from a spritual perspective. From a worldly perspective it is great. From a worldy perspective, it meets my expectations and desires. But, from a spritual perspective, it stinks and is ripe for the wrath of God.

cbk · Jul 26, 2003

Atkin said:
The UN overlaps with the EU. The UN is not a conquering empire as Greek (led by Alexander the great) ,Babylon (led by Nebuchadnezzar) type Empire beasts ( not in its history so far)

The USA forms part of the UN... and they both exist simultaneously, not so for the beast heads which typically form successive empires/kingdoms eg Assyria falls, next Babylon comes up, next Medo-Persian empire etc

Russia is also a member of the UN thus overlaps with that body, not isolated from it.

The scripture is consistent regarding Beasts/heads of beasts. They are independent

conquering empires , not overlapping nations-alliances as we see above.

Nazi Germany had the characteristics of a beast (as compared to the old beasts), however it lasted only for a short while.

At this time, an all conquering empire has not really exhibited its full power yet

post WW2 and post fall of Berlin Wall. A Greek empire Beast type led by an Alexander the great example is yet to be seen.... time will tell.

How can we prove that each beast is an independant conquering empire? There is no scripture that even identifies these beasts of Daniel as being the ones that many believe them to be (ie, Persian, Roman, etc.) These are only assumptions.

And, if we look at the possibility that the 1st Beast of Revelation is the combined 4 beasts of Daniel (which I believe is difficult to deny when you consider the beast of Revelation has features of a lion, bear, leopard, and has seven heads and ten horns -- THE COMBINED FEATURES OF ALL 4 BEASTS OF DANIEL!!), then we have found evidence of a Beast being an alliance of other empires.

Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised to see that IF the four beasts of Daniel came together that they would be described as a seperate beast. Especially if the 'new' beast resembled ALL the details of each of the original four, and their sole purpose dealt with Jerusalem and Israel.

Just The Facts · Jul 26, 2003

Hi Ephraim

I still think you have got this all wrong.

the Beast of rev 13 is Rome

the Second Beast of Rev 13 Is the Church State of Rome circa 314AD

the Image of the beast is Catholic Church

Beast of Rev 17: is Holy Roman Empire.

Just The Facts

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Atkin · Jul 26, 2003

cbk said:
How can we prove that each beast is an independant conquering empire? There is no scripture that even identifies these beasts of Daniel as being the ones that many believe them to be (ie, Persian, Roman, etc.) These are only assumptions.

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I will respond to the initial part of your post first.

Their names would not be the same old Persian empire etc.. that is not the point. I personally believe that will be no repeat PERSIAN EMPIRE.

My point is that GOD has been consistent whenever HE USES THE LABEL BEAST for a Kingdom/empire/nation in the Bible.

A beast in scripture IS NOT SOME WEAK UNITED NATIONS or a non conquering European Union. THE BRITISH EMPIRE was a good example.

That was my point. I will not jump to the conclusion that an organisation is a beast IF IT DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER that characterised a Beast as in the past.

God has been very consistent -- THE NAME IS NOT IMPORTANT--IT COULD BE AN AFRICAN , CHINESE BEAST/empire ... the name is not relevant but it must have the power to CONTROL--- IT REQUIRES POWER
AND GUILE TO ENFORCE THE MARK OF THE BEAST REVELATION 13--- KILLING people and controlling THE EARTH Revelation 13;7
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations

---- IT WILL BE a powerful dominion which oppresses God's truth or God's people. I PERSONALLY DO NOT BELIEVE IN PROPHECY REPETITION
HENCE I DO NOT BELIEVE A REVIVED ROMAN EMPIRE etc. God is not as simnple and as predictable as that.

A beast in God's WORD SO FAR is a powerful kingdom which controls with force. Which beast in the past was a weak empire? NONE. They were all powerful. GOD USES THE TERM BEAST for powerful nations/kingdoms and I believe God is consistent as far as that is concerned. The names will not be the same.

The beasts of Rev.13 - Arafat and Abu Mazen

Are the ideas presented a reasonable explanation of Revelation 13?

Yes, the ideas are right on.

No, it is completely wrong.

There is some truth but all is not correct.

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