Pastor gets prison for sermon.

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Yeah, I agree with everyone here. WorldNutDaily isn't the best place to get news people. When will you learn this?

And, in all honesty, I think this is awesome. Did everyone READ what the pastor is quoted as saying?
[font=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]Green had described homosexuality as "abnormal, a horrible cancerous tumor in the body of society" in a 2003 sermon.[/font]
I'm sorry, if any pastor says that I'm a 'cancerous tumor in the body of society', then that person is a liar and should be stripped of all their rights to lead a group of people to God. They obviously missed the whole "Love your neighbor as yourself" thing..

This is a good quote though..
[font=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]Soren Andersson said on hearing Green's jail sentence that religious freedom could never be used as a reason to offend people.[/font]
Too True. Just cause you have the freedom to practice whatever religion you want, doesn't mean you have the right to offend and insult me, another human being with the same right to be whoever I want to be.
 
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Matt Never Existed said:
I'm sorry, if any pastor says that I'm a 'cancerous tumor in the body of society', then that person is a liar and should be stripped of all their rights to lead a group of people to God. They obviously missed the whole "Love your neighbor as yourself" thing..

He didn't say gays, he said "homosexuality".

Just cause you have the freedom to practice whatever religion you want, doesn't mean you have the right to offend and insult me, another human being with the same right to be whoever I want to be.

Yes it does. If freedom of speech and expression only applies to non-offensive speech, then there is no freedom of speech and expression.

He has the right to say it and you have the right to ignore it.
 
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Regardless of what he said, he should not have received jail time. ::waves American flag:: The KKK, the Nation of Islam, any number of racist groups make us angry and sometimes we wish we could lock them up, but we can't. We have a God given right to speak our minds, even if we're jerks. Start allowing people to lock you up for what you've said, nomatter how offensive, and you've lost everything.


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Just cause you have the freedom to practice whatever religion you want, doesn't mean you have the right to offend and insult me, another human being with the same right to be whoever I want to be.
Actually, that's exactly what it means. If someone goes up to u on the street and starts harassing you because you're gay, then that's illegal, but sorry. You don't have the right to be free from insults from the pulpit.
 
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12volt_man said:
Yes it does. If freedom of speech and expression only applies to non-offensive speech, then there is no freedom of speech and expression.

He has the right to say it and you have the right to ignore it.
Whether or not the WorldNut story is true, 12volt hit it on the head--the right to free speech trumps your desire to not be offended. Religious freedom can't be used as an excuse to harm anyone, but hurt feelings can't be covered by the Constitution. I personally find the purported minister's message abhorrent, but that's probably why I don't go to a church like that.
 
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InnerPhyre said:
Actually, that's exactly what it means. If someone goes up to u on the street and starts harassing you because you're gay, then that's illegal, but sorry. You don't have the right to be free from insults from the pulpit.
Whats the diff. between that person coming up to me on the street and that person preaching that same hatred to a group of people?

It only continues the cycle of hate.
 
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Sexuality is such a hot topic right now! Im happy for that pastor bc he is going to recieve extra blessings for standing up for the Word of God. He will definately be in my prayers and i think we can all learn something especially myself. Here in America we don't have to worry about jailtime and how many times don't i speak up.
 
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Matt Never Existed said:
Whats the diff. between that person coming up to me on the street and that person preaching that same hatred to a group of people?

It only continues the cycle of hate.
i guess
a street is a "public" entity
and a church is a "private" entity
"offensive" speech
should never be censored
unless it involves
the threat of violence
if we censor this pastor
why not censor all sorts
of "offensive" speech
like fat jokes
 
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-=<] MOD HAT ON [>=-
This thread will not turn into a discussion on homsexuality or it will be deleted. If it stays on the topic of free speech it will be left. Leave out the homosexual issues, it is about free speech or it is trashed.
-=<] MOD HAT OFF [>=-
 
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Matt Never Existed said:
Whats the diff. between that person coming up to me on the street and that person preaching that same hatred to a group of people?

It only continues the cycle of hate.

Because if I come up to you and start shouting at you in the streets, it's harassment and can also be threatening. We all have the right to say whatever we want in a peaceful manner though.
 
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"A Swedish court has sentenced Ake Green, a pastor belonging to the Pentecostal movement, to a month in prison, under a law against incitement, after he was found guilty of having offended homosexuals in a sermon, according to Ecumenical News International.

Green had described homosexuality as "abnormal, a horrible cancerous tumor in the body of society" in a 2003 sermon.

Soren Andersson, the president of the Swedish Federation for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender rights, said on hearing Green's jail sentence that religious freedom could never be used as a reason to offend people."

I couldn't google any more origonal material about these events: so I'll just go with the story as stated; as it is genuinely carried in the Ecumenical News International.

Is it good that this man was found guilty of a crime; yes.
These are good and evenhanded laws, posing no difficulty whatsover for genuinely religious and spiritual people.
Was a month in the slammer the appropriate sentence, I do not know.
Such crime is not victimless. Being denied grounding on God, as this pastor was denying to some; has gross impact on others.
Should freedom of speech be absolute; of course not. We all have responsibilities to others (Jesus suggested that we love our neighbours, and in God), and no rights can be allowed to trump these.
I have the licensed right to drive a car: I am not allowed to drive through your fence, and into your garden; nor am I allowed to run over your child. All rights are qualified by these basic decencies; which Jesus suggests shoud extend to loving, and in God.
So, given that this lad appears to have been an evangelical Christian, just where do these decencies start, just where does religious free speech need to be qualified.
IMO religions should no longer be able to run with conceptions such as sin and evil; nor should God be allowed to condemn others, for not sharing some subcription. You might harbour these ideas in your heart, we all have wierd and dark residues in our basements: but witnessing in these terms, outwith licensed private gatherings; should be gathered up as illegal actions.
Religions have to learn to be affirmative. To focus exclusively on the approach to God of the subcribing subject. If in this approach, you need the outrigger of condemning other people: then you have a personal problem of balance and faith; that should be addressed in proper setting.
No Christian should feel threatened by any of this. Jesus, while being clear about what will lead to departure from the narrow way: gives us a clear and affirmative path to follow; where we can deal exclusively with our own approach to God, with our own endeavours to be as children of God. There is aboslutely no need, for any Christian to engage in condemning others: my own suspicion is, that such indiscipline begins when a subject finds that they do not have what it takes, in that moment, to sustain their own faith filled approach to God through Jesus; and in the angst of this, they begin to lash out at others, and are then simply never again able to break the habit.

What the Swedish court has demanded of this pastor, is that he love, and respect his neighbour.
Is it not ironic that a country and institution that so many identify with the secular, and even with antipathy to Christianity; should so rudely drag us back to our first duty; to our neighbours, in Jesus's name, and in God.
 
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