Is he a sheep or one dressed in sheep's clothing?

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Note: This is not meant as any derision of an American President but should be viewed from a biblical and prophetic perspective.

I realize that this is a few months old but still has timely bearings.

if Jesus were alive today, the US State Department would likely criticize him for being a Jewish settler and an obstacle to peace.

After all, according to the Christian bible, Jesus was a Jew born in Bethlehem, which is south of Jerusalem in what Colin Powell considers the "occupied territory" of Judea. His parents were Jews who undoubtedly prayed at a local Bethlehem synagogue, learned Torah at a local study-hall, and bought food at the local kosher marketplace. Thus, they were Jewish settlers in every respect. Needless to say, the Christian bible itself contains no mention of the word "Palestine" or "Palestinians", for the simple reason that they did not exist. All told, in the Torah and the Christian bible, the terms "Judah" or "Judea" appear 877 times, and "Samaria" is used on 123 occasions. There is no reference to phrases such as the "West Bank" or "occupied territories," as Islam had not yet even come into being.

It is therefore hard to understand why the President would consent to pressure Israel to turn over Judea, Samaria and Gaza to the Palestinians, for he would appear to be acting contrary to what his own hallowed text would seem to demonstrate, namely that these areas belong to the Jewish people and no one else.
The same goes for Israel's capital, where many of the events in the Christian bible, such as the last supper on Mount Zion, the denunciation in the Garden of Gethsemane and the crucifixion on Golgotha are all described as having taken place in Jerusalem --- in Roman-occupied Jewish Jerusalem, that is. Hence, Christians who accept Palestinian demands to Jerusalem are essentially denying the validity of their own traditions.
It is imperative, then, that American Christian supporters of Israel launch an all-out effort to remind President Bush of these facts, and to counter the pressure he is coming under from the likes of Tony Blair and Colin Powell. Bush is an honest and decent man, who is true to himself and to his belief system. But he is facing enormous pressure to mollify the Arabs at the expense of the Jewish state, and will therefore need a great deal of public backing behind him if he is to stand up against such pressure.
Bush's Choice: Powell or the Prophets?
 

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All humans are jews in Christ. That means Jesus presides over arabia too.

Matthew 28:19 Go to all nations and make them disciples and baptise them in the NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. The Jewish Apostles went ahead and obeyed.

Jesus would strategise in sharing the lands amongst his various children of all nations.
 
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SonWorshipper said:
You mean he would break the everlasting covanant he made with the children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Such as found in Gen. 17, 1Chron 16, Psalms 105?

Yeshua would never break a covenant with the Children of Abraham.

The children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have been blessed so much by God

such that they are found in many nations.

Hence The Covenant is made with Jacobs seed which now is in huge numbers

in Jerusalem and in all the continents of earth.

God told Abraham in Genesis 15:5 LOOK TOWARD HEAVEN AND COUNT THE STARS, IF YOU CAN COUNT THEM......SO SHALL YOUR DESCENDANTS BE

All the tribes of Jacob were greatly multiplied starting from the Hebrews as we see.
 
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Atkin said:
All humans are jews in Christ. That means Jesus presides over arabia too.

Matthew 28:19 Go to all nations and make them disciples and baptise them in the NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. The Jewish Apostles went ahead and obeyed.

Jesus would strategise in sharing the lands amongst his various children of all nations.

I don't understand what you are saying here.

Also You are confusing ( in your second post) a covenant made with Abraham Isaac and Jacob ( all three together in succession) with what he told Abraham alone. As we all know Abrahams seed also is the Arab nations, from the 12 Arab princes detailed in Genesis 17. This does not mean that "All humans are jews in Christ ".

G-d gave specifically a certain land mass to the children of Jacob ( Israel), with their capitol, G-d's Holy Mountain, Mt Moriah, ( Jerusalem) the place where he showed Abraham with his son Isaac and handed down to all the children of Israel, that there would come to that same mountain a sacrifice that He ( G-d ) himself would provide this "real estate" in perpetuity.

 
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SonWorshipper said:
I don't understand what you are saying here.

Also You are confusing ( in your second post) a covenant made with Abraham Isaac and Jacob ( all three together in succession) with what he told Abraham alone. As we all know Abrahams seed also is the Arab nations, from the 12 Arab princes detailed in Genesis 17. This does not mean that "All humans are jews in Christ ".

G-d gave specifically a certain land mass to the children of Jacob ( Israel), with their capitol, G-d's Holy Mountain, Mt Moriah, ( Jerusalem) the place where he showed Abraham with his son Isaac and handed down to all the children of Israel, that there would come to that same mountain a sacrifice that He ( G-d ) himself would provide this "real estate" in perpetuity.

I agree with you on this. G-d gave specifically a certain land mass to the children of Jacob ( Israel), with their capitol, G-d's Holy Mountain, Mt Moriah, ( Jerusalem)
God repeated this SAME message in Matthew 28:19
Matthew 28:19 Go to all nations and make them disciples and baptise them in the NAME
OF THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. The Jewish Apostles went ahead and obeyed.

, you see this is because

Judah, Reuben,Gad,Asher,Naphtali,Manasseh etc are a multitude running into a population of hundreds OF MILLIONS and thus God gave out MORE LAND since Judea Galilee, Nazareth etc is not enough for Jacob's seed

God is accepting all humans into Himself in Christ. LUKE 24:47 "All humans are jews in Christ ". God never broke his covenant with THE HUMAN RACE as in Acts 1:8 TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH. ISAIAH 66:18
 
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SonWorshipper said:
So? Am I to understand that gives man ( Bush, Arafat, etc) a right to decide where the children of Israel may live and take what rightfully belongs to them?

No, man cannot do that. The only thing is that Jacob's seed has been so multiplied in
numbers such that Bush could very well be a Hebrew son as well as Arafat.

God really multiplied the Israelite children and the Israelite network spread far and wide

over the centuries from post 70 AD fall of Jerusalem onwards and even before that time.
 
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Atkin said:
No, man cannot do that. The only thing is that Jacob's seed has been so multiplied in
numbers such that Bush could very well be a Hebrew son as well as Arafat.

God really multiplied the Israelite children and the Israelite network spread far and wide

over the centuries from post 70 AD fall of Jerusalem onwards and even before that time.

Granted the seed of Abraham is multiplied very much so. Yet I have a statement that says that those who Obey YHWH and have Faith in Yeshua are the ones who are trully His, not those who disobey YHWH's Torah and lack Faith in Yeshua(which btw means YHWH's Salvation)

So to me if Bush isn't One with YHWH or Arafat isn't either then they aren't the ones who YHWH draws to Yeshua unless they Repent and Obey YHWH.

Granted Yeshua said YHWH doesn't want any to perish, yet we see many will because of unbelief and disobedience.

May the peace that transcends all understanding be with you,

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