Started out already shoved down

Galadriel · Jul 9, 2003

Hey all,
I know that there are people who have the common misconception that when you are saved, then *poof* everything is peachy and great, and all your problems are solved. Well, as most of us figure out, this isn't so, and it can be dissapointing to realize you are still much (not totally though) the same with the same dilemmas and problems.

I guess I struggle with things and I just get frustrated, liek I feel like I started out way shoved down to begin with. I know that as we go God helps us and such. I guess I wish I just had the guts to act and begin fixing these dilemmas, but I am a coward and just can't seem to get the guts to begin, I feel like I am failing God and letting Him down when I don't act. I pray for courage, and these are things I have struggled with and prayed about for years. I have come to different conclusions over the years about what to do, and I know I just need to get the guts to act, even though there is the big risk of personally degrading myself.

Gwyn · Jul 9, 2003

Galadriel,

May I ask how long have you been a Christian? The reason I ask is because sometimes like you said it takes a while.

Something I have learned is that there is a great difference between humiliation and humble submission. Sometimes it's not courage that's needed but agreement with the Holy Spirit in what he's saying to you. There's a saying 'Let go and let God' and there are times when it's just good to stop trying and let God make the changes in you that he wants. He is able beyond anything we can imagine.

There are things within us that need change, all of us, and if we endeavor to make the change then who gets the credit for the change? If we let God make the changes in us, then all the glory and honor is his which is where it belongs.

I hope some of this has helped.

Gwyn

Galadriel · Jul 9, 2003

Gwyn said:
Galadriel,

May I ask how long have you been a Christian? The reason I ask is because sometimes like you said it takes a while.

Something I have learned is that there is a great difference between humiliation and humble submission. Sometimes it's not courage that's needed but agreement with the Holy Spirit in what he's saying to you. There's a saying 'Let go and let God' and there are times when it's just good to stop trying and let God make the changes in you that he wants. He is able beyond anything we can imagine.

There are things within us that need change, all of us, and if we endeavor to make the change then who gets the credit for the change? If we let God make the changes in us, then all the glory and honor is his which is where it belongs.

I hope some of this has helped.

Gwyn

Well, I have for about a year and a half I would say. I just fear I am not taking the right action, like seeking out counseling, and thus prolonging my dilemma due to my cowardly inablility to act.
I know that God is the only one who can make the change, and that it would be His doing. I agree with the Holy Spirit that this has been bugging me in my life. I have prayed, and prayed, but I am not sure exactly what to do about it, so I have come to the conclusion that I need to go out and seek help myself.

JohnR7 · Jul 10, 2003

Galadriel said:
I feel like I am failing God and letting Him down when I don't act. I pray for courage, and these are things I have struggled with and prayed about for years.

Jesus never failed. He always accomplished what He set out to do. The good thing is, that He can do a work in us. So that we will accomplish what we set out to do, becaues Jesus is the one that is doing the work in us and though us. As long as we are following the will of the Father.

Rather than to try and trust in self. Depend on and trust in Jesus.

When I first got saved I thought it was wonderful, because God did not seem to expect that much from me and He seemed to do so much for me. But as He gave me more and more, then He began to expect more and more from me. To whom much is given, much is expected. To whom little is given, then little is expected in return.

happy · Jul 11, 2003

Galadriel, I understand what you are saying. When I first became a christian I was soooooo happy I thought everything is my life was going to be easy from that point on but it wasn't. Things actually seemed to get worse. I would talk to God about the situation, get mad, depressed, and even think about giving up. One thing that I have learned is that I was in a sense "using" God. I just wanted a quick fix. For instance, I would read books on how to be a good christian, or how to read the bible or I would look up internet sites on christianity and they all told me to pray, read my bible, go to church and fellowship with other christians. I did all that but I wasn't happy. The bible would tell me that I was suppose to feel this way and not that way. I would do that but the more I did it the more frustrated I became. I finally came to the conclusion that the christian life was nothing but a bunch of rules. I also felt that I was missing something or someone. That thing was Jesus. Anyone can go thru the motions, but in order to enjoy the life you have to have the desire in your heart. I learned that there isn't a set of rules and I can't work my way up to heaven. That was my problem. Hope you can get something out of my experience. I will be praying for you.

Galadriel · Jul 12, 2003

happy said:
Galadriel, I understand what you are saying. When I first became a christian I was soooooo happy I thought everything is my life was going to be easy from that point on but it wasn't. Things actually seemed to get worse. I would talk to God about the situation, get mad, depressed, and even think about giving up. One thing that I have learned is that I was in a sense "using" God. I just wanted a quick fix. For instance, I would read books on how to be a good christian, or how to read the bible or I would look up internet sites on christianity and they all told me to pray, read my bible, go to church and fellowship with other christians. I did all that but I wasn't happy. The bible would tell me that I was suppose to feel this way and not that way. I would do that but the more I did it the more frustrated I became. I finally came to the conclusion that the christian life was nothing but a bunch of rules. I also felt that I was missing something or someone. That thing was Jesus. Anyone can go thru the motions, but in order to enjoy the life you have to have the desire in your heart. I learned that there isn't a set of rules and I can't work my way up to heaven. That was my problem. Hope you can get something out of my experience. I will be praying for you.

Hi Happy,
Well, I too know what you mean by it starts out easy, then things seem to get worse, I have had this happen as well. I know that there isn't any quick fix, maybe I am inadvertently looking for one? Hmm, I also know we aren't to go by our feelings. I am not giving up though, and I am saved, so I don't know, I suppose I just need to hang in there more.

Mr.Cheese · Jul 12, 2003

Salvation is the beginning of a journey. I think some people present it as the end. Nope.
It's just the beginning.
The road is long and hard. But it's a good road.
I plan on staying on it.

psycmajor · Jul 18, 2003

All good words

.

Yeah, some folks do believe that God will make their lives easy. This isn't so. Now, this doesn't mean that He isn't there.

And it is hard to want to seek change. Change is often the "great unknown," and humans fear what they don't understand or are not familiar with.

You sound afraid to seek change. Is there anything in particular you're afraid of? I know you said you're afraid of making yourself vulnerable.

Well, think about it for a moment. What would be worse: continue living as you are now (you don't seem very happy to me), or take a risk and find out what could happen. What could happen in the future may be better than what's happening right now.

You have the power.

Gwyn · Jul 20, 2003

Psycmajor is right in that being saved doesn't make life easier. What it does do is make it easier to walk the road because the Lord will help you to be stronger and more courageous. He will supply your needs; that doesn't just mean physical needs but all the emotional and psychological needs as well.

Whenever you can't; remember He can.

Just don't let the enemy get in there telling you that you're a rotten christian and just not good enough. Or that you haven't changed enough or anything like that. It's all deception aimed at making you give up, so don't. That's what Paul was talking about when he said he was pressing on to the goal.

Gwyn

ZiSunka · Jul 25, 2003

Galadriel said:
Hey all,
I know that there are people who have the common misconception that when you are saved, then *poof* everything is peachy and great, and all your problems are solved. Well, as most of us figure out, this isn't so, and it can be dissapointing to realize you are still much (not totally though) the same with the same dilemmas and problems.

I guess I struggle with things and I just get frustrated, liek I feel like I started out way shoved down to begin with. I know that as we go God helps us and such. I guess I wish I just had the guts to act and begin fixing these dilemmas, but I am a coward and just can't seem to get the guts to begin, I feel like I am failing God and letting Him down when I don't act. I pray for courage, and these are things I have struggled with and prayed about for years. I have come to different conclusions over the years about what to do, and I know I just need to get the guts to act, even though there is the big risk of personally degrading myself.

Every Christian starts out shoved down. It's only from there that you can see why you need Christ at all. A person who is still standing at the foot of the cross don't think they need a savior.

The one thing that set me up and out of this downtrodden attitude was a single verse of scripture: 2Cor 5:17

"Whoever is a Believer in Christ is a new person. The old way of life is over forever. You've begun a whole new life."

This verse freed me to give up feeling shoved down and defeated. Those things happened to the old person, someone who doesn't even exist anymore. I'm not that person anymore, now that I am a Believer in Christ. I can give up feeling bad about myself, being defeated by things outside my control, and entrapped by past sins.

You ARE a new person. That old person is gone. Start living in your new life and let go of the old one.

Galadriel · Jul 25, 2003

lambslove said:
Every Christian starts out shoved down. It's only from there that you can see why you need Christ at all. A person who is still standing at the foot of the cross don't think they need a savior.

The one thing that set me up and out of this downtrodden attitude was a single verse of scripture: 2Cor 5:17

"Whoever is a Believer in Christ is a new person. The old way of life is over forever. You've begun a whole new life."

This verse freed me to give up feeling shoved down and defeated. Those things happened to the old person, someone who doesn't even exist anymore. I'm not that person anymore, now that I am a Believer in Christ. I can give up feeling bad about myself, being defeated by things outside my control, and entrapped by past sins.

You ARE a new person. That old person is gone. Start living in your new life and let go of the old one.

Thanks lambslove, that is what I am in the process of doing. Sure ain't a fast process.

evangelist dare · Jul 31, 2003

let me introduce myself. i amm evangelist dare and i read your thread and this is what i feel God would have me tell you..there are times we need to just step out in faith trusting God to take care of it all.....like peter when he stepped out of the boat.....let go and let God....it takes faith to do that....may i ask you, how much and how often do u read the word of God? the reason i ask sis is because it is the word that gives us faith...faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God..when we need faith which is everyday, we need to read the word, if our faith is lacking we need to devour the word...hence eating the word of God....if we lack faith read the word , if weneed more faith read some more and so on and so on.....the word of GOD does more than give us faith also....it gives us instruction 11tim3:16 prov.22:21..God's word teachs us in the way we should go...isa.2:3.....it renews our mind.....rom.12;2......encourages and strengthens us.....1 john2;14 psa.138;3........God's word brings light to us...psa.119;130 acts 26;18......God's word guides us.....psa.119;33.....God's word equipts us .....ezek. 11;19,20......God's word gives us joy peace rest assurance strength wisdom understanding hope comfort i can go on and on.......also the apostles prayed for an increase in faith......the scriptures i feel God would have me give you sis is mark 11:22......Have faith in God.......trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding....prov.3;5.... i would say to you get in the word and just devour it daily .....seek God's face in fasting and prayer.....spend time with God and trust HIM to lead you and guide you ......GOD BLESS YOU SIS and i hope this in someway helped you........a servant of Christ Jesus always, Evangelist dare

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