Are Gay people Condemned??

"ARe gay people condemned?

"Therefore there is now no condemnation for those in Jesus Christ."

You heard God "

I tend to agree with this person. But then, a few years ago, I was invited to a friends house after I found out he was gay. His "significant other" was going to be there. I turned him down. He knew why. Same reason they get turned down all the time. No straight people want to see two homosexuals kissing, we think it is disgusting. But, was I being fair to them? Are they destined to always be "disted" by someone like me who is supposed to be a Christian? I have some relatives that refused to go to a non-blood relatives gay wedding (2 women). The family practically split in two over it with fighting and bickering. This is part of why I say, what really is the correct answer. I will admit, I refuse to watch "Wil and Grace" and my wife watches. I hate the show. I hate the mainstream "glamorization." I guess what I hate is the automatic acceptance of this by network television or maintstream society if it really is wrong. So I don't automatically go with "trends" personally. How does God want me to treat these people? It's also clear that many Christians look down in almost a hatred like state on these people. I still wonder if this is what God wants. Great contributions BTW!




"God did not create any human being as a homosexual. "

It's genetic, so ..he did. I mean, no one "turns" gay unless in a very very rare form of perversion of sorts.

"I f(I)rmly believe that salvation requires us to not only ask for forgiveness for our sin, but to repent of the sin . . . repent, meaning "turn away". And not just "turn the other cheek", but accually STOP sinning. "

I agree with this statement as well for the exception of "STOP sinning." We are always sinning, we are imperfect. You will never go one week without sinning, even if it is a thought. I guess we will always repent as a result though.

" Gays will be sentenced to hell if they do not accept Christ just as a heterosexual who does not accept Christ. That's the bottom line.

Can a homosexual be saved? Yes they can. Can they continue in that sin. No. The Bible clearly states to obstain from all sexual immorality. Will God forgive them. Yes he will. Can God deliver them, yes He can."


This is a perfect answer but if we are living by the rules of Leviticus, shouldn't we be praying for forgiveness for:

,Tattoos ,Wearing certain types of jewelry ,Eating certain kinds of meat ,Wearing clothing made from blended textiles (cotton-polyester blends) ,Cross-breeding livestock ,Sowing a field with mixed seed ,Eating or touching the dead flesh of pigs, rabbits, & some forms of seafood ,Men cutting their hair or shaving their beards, etc? Since I am a Christian, I try to look more toawrd the new testament for answers as I am not Jewish and don't live by the old law...

"Sex is God's idea and its purpose is not only for procreation, but also for recreation and the development of a deep relationship between man and woman. Nothing is wrong or dirty about sex when it is engaged in the bonds of marriage as the Lord commanded in the Bible. However, when perversions are committed inside the marriage relationship, this can be sinful also. God made man and woman and brought them together "face to face." Oral sex is of homosexual origin that replaces the normal "face to face" relationship God intended in a marriage. The Bible describes the sex act in Song of Solomon Chapter 4. In this chapter it speaks of this "face to face" relationship by describing looking into his lover's eyes and kissing his lover's lips and fondling his lover's breasts. Oral sex is not normal or natural as it is an unclean act."

This is a very good excerpt!

p.s. Should I attach a signature that says I am not gay now just in case, now that I brought up this controversial topic!!LOL!

"Has it not now been found that homosexuality is in the genes and therefore they are gay from birth and not by choice."

Yes according to many researchers. It is not a sickness or disease that is "caught" or "spreads." I will edit this with posts from earlier so you can catch up....Well, here's the quick summary. It is looks to be genetic for the exception of rare cases of perversion. It is just as hard for you to "become" gay as it is for someone genetically programmed as gay to "become" straight. Does this mean if you are genetically predisposed to being gay it is not a sin? I don't know, but think of the plight. You will always be attracted to the same sex. Since I have some friends or "aquaintences" who are, it makes me want to be sure of my interpretations of the scripture. That's why I brought it up here.

ebeth "ALL sin needs to be repented of so that we can be back in accordance with God."

Yes, this is true but the debate is also on interpretation of the scripture and whether being gay is considered a sin or just an assumption/interpretation handed down through the generations of church-goers and dismissed as such because its not our problem.. There are arguments from both sides on Leviticus. Thanks.

The responses here have been great. I have had time to peruse over just about all of them and some others I did not see b4 came to mind, especially from the new testament. I will list them here and BTW, thanks for listing them!

"those days, people were not shy about expressing their emotions. It was not "weak" or looked-down-upon for men to be just as caring and loving as women are."

Of course I am not the authority on this but God is, however, I have to agree with this persons interpretation of Leviticus. I DO NOT think they were gay either unlike the site link I listed. I remember expressing love to my own dad by a kiss on the cheek.

"Jude 1:7 -
What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities near them is an example for us of the punishment of eternal fire. The people of these cities suffered the same fate that God's people and the angels did, because they committed sexual sins and engaged in homosexual activities. (The New Living Translation)"

Yes! Someone found a new testament verse referring to this very subject! AND another below (I did not realize Corinthians was new testament)

"1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. (New King James Version)"

The sad thing is as this believed a genetic..."sentence!" These people feel like they are living a lie when matched up with a member of the opposite sex like we would with the same sex! It makes me wonder how God could allow someone to have such a task!

Reaching....Does anyone think this is a devil of the worse kind, regardless of modern day terminology or "genetic defect," that injects itself at the time of conception or something?? Very strange. And we are going to be seeing more of it in the future! Now they are starting TV shows that are considered the new trend. You know what happens after Americans see hollywood, they imitate! Next we will see them hand-in-hand in rural America...EEK! I still cringe, don't know how to react and wanted to have a better handle on the subject. Thanks all..

"Instead that they can prove me 100 % sure that this guy will be homsexual when he his born and that he can do this 1000 times i will reconsider my opinion , but it's not like that."

Do you mean until or instead? I am not sure I understand. If you have known anyone who is gay, you will know the VAST and I mean VAST majority have been this way from birth. This plus other technological indicators are pretty clear. Is it an absolute 100%? No. But close. Does this challenge God's word? NO! Not in my opinion. If God claims it to be a sin then it is- regardless of genetics, I agree with you. The only reason genetics come into play is that it means it is an instinctual physical pull so strong it is equivalent to you being judged for your HAIR COLOR! EEK! That's the part that gets me. However, if God tells me that only people with PURPLE hair are not sinning or offending him. I will spray paint my hair purple. As it is becoming a part of "mainstream" society today, I wanted to be more prepared on how to react to these people in general though and make sure I am doing my research and interpretation of the bible. Thanks also to you folks for bringing scripture to light and debating a bit. I'd like to see a bit more debate onm interpretaion, but thats ok. I do wonder if there IS a form of perversion that is NOT genetic that God is speaking of in addition to this genetic thing that he is warning us. I personally haven't ruled that out either.

Beckijhm's input is some great stuff. Thanks. I also agree with you e beth. I know several people who grew up without fathers or mothers and - no problems there. The study on cadaevor anaylsis I am not familiar with. There's plenty of others though...

"In the new work, the scientists studied the genetic material from 40 pairs of gay brothers and found that in 33 of the pairs, the brothers had identical pieces of the end tip of the X chromosome. Under ordinary circumstances ruled by chance alone, only half of the pairs should have shared that chromosomal neighborhood in common, a region designated Xq28. The odds of Dr. Hamer's results turning up randomly are less than half a percent, indicating that the chromosomal tip likely harbors a genetic sequence linked to the onset of the brothers' homosexuality."

This has been debated but still an indicator according to the below article. It basically says someone can be "pre-disposed" but not signed sealed and delivered from birth. Read on if you like..

" Does "Born That Way" Mean "Designed That Way"?

When a person says that only heterosexuality is normal--and that all other forms of sexuality are abnormal variants--he is often dismissed with the statement, "Wrong--gays are born that way." The "born that way" argument has now been widely refuted as false, and the current scientific consensus is that biological, family and social factors work together to set the stage for homosexuality. Still, to understand the ultimate significance of what biological evidence there is, an important distinction should be remembered: that between the concepts of "born that way" and "designed that way."

Temperament and Prenatal Influences
We continue to see a small but steady stream of research studies linking homosexuality with various biological factors. Even though researchers do not claim these factors predetermine homosexuality, such factors cannot simply be dismissed as utterly irrelevant to causation. (For a comprehensive review, see "What Causes Homosexuality? Biological Theories," in Homosexuality: The Use of Scientific Research in the Church's Moral Debate, by Stanton Jones and Mark Yarhouse.) Reports in the clinical literature continue to link male homosexuality to a sensitive temperament. Those writers theorize that a sensitive, passive and sometimes aethetically oriented nature, along with lack of athletic ability, will set a boy apart from his peers. If there is also a poor relationship with father, the boy is likely to suffer a gender-identity injury. When combined with the classic dynamic of an over-involved mother, the stage is set for the boy to eroticize (rather than internalize) his natural longing for masculinity. And research also suggests another scenario: in some individuals, prenatal hormones may abnormally masculinize or feminize the developing fetus. Similarly, when a pregnant woman is exposed to certain environmental pollutants which are known to have a hormone-like effect on the body, some writers theorize that sex differences are blurred in her developing fetus. The resulting gender distortions could affect the child's sense of himself or herself as male or female, and could thus account for the biological "push" in the direction of adult homosexuality. Yet although we recognize that such individuals were "born with that way" (in the sense of being biologically influenced toward a certain identity and behavior), it would not follow that they were in fact designed that way. Such a condition would represent a biological error. For example, an article in the prominent journal Psychological Bulletin recently linked both male and female homosexuality to a higher-than-normal incidence of left-handedness (1). The authors noted that both left-handedness and some forms of homosexuality may originate from prenatal "biological developmental errors." In theorizing that homosexuality would, in such cases, also be an "error," the authors explain that left-handedness has also been linked with a higher number of spontaneous abortions, lower birth weight, higher rate of serious accident and serious disorders, and a shorter life span. Left-handedness has similarly been linked to neural tube defects, autism, stuttering, and schizophrenia. A second study--this one in Archives of General Psychiatry--found significantly higher levels of pathology in the gay population than among heterosexuals (2). One hypothesis for the finding of higher levels of emotional disturbance--offered by prominent gay twin-study researcher J.M. Bailey--was that homosexuality may represent a developmental error.

Developmental Errors and Genetic Misfortunes Are Common
Many people are born with genetic predispositions that we clearly recognize as problems. An alcoholism gene--an obesity gene--and a gene for shyness, violence, hyperactivity, or short temper are recognized as setting the stage for a lifetime of challenges. The same would be true of a gene for near-sightedness, mental retardation, or attention-deficit disorder. And there are also prenatally induced, non-genetic conditions that we recognize as problems, such as fetal alcohol syndrome and fetal cocaine addiction. All of the affected persons must struggle to adjust in life.

He goes on but this gives an interesting perspective.

Lastly, I a really leaning toward this person's quote to sum it up for me anyway..

"NO Homosexuals are not condemned by their acts, but by their heart condition if they don't REPENT and ask FORGIVENESS. God died to save us ALL and that includes homosexuals, murderers, rapists, pedophiles, molesters, adulterers, etc "

What have I gained from this? Perhaps have more compassion for these people as it seems they have a strong PULL toward this nature for many reasons. I think as a society, we look on these people as though "who are you kidding, you are a man not a woman so stop acting like one." When, bec of "factors," they aren't "posing", they really have a strong pull toward it. However, if they are following God's word, they should try not to give in and repent! The same with violent offenders. They have biological factors (studies show very high testosterone) and family (or lack there-of) and socio-economic factors which yank them in the direction of being tempermental and violent. Does this excuse them from the behavior, especially if they are hurting people, no. Unfortunately, some are destined to live very tough lives but we must still follow Gods word.