Question concerning the Sabbath

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I believe that the Sabbat is Saturday but when I go to a Catholic church they said to me that the Saturday sabbat refer to the Old Testament and now we obey the New Testament not the Old.

But when I go to Seventh day adventist they said to me it's saturday.

I'm a SDA but who really believe ???

Colossien 2 verse 16 : Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: 2:17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's

Many people had refer this verse to me to say that saturday his not the Sabbath anymore. But I keep asking this Question : They never said to give up the Saturday Sabbath as clearly as it shown up to keep it.

They are many sabbath, But just one who you can rest on the Seventh Day. And the Sabbath wasn't created for Jesus when he died. It was created when the earth was created. It's GOD who rest himself. Why would this be changed on Sunday when we know that god work on Sunday ???????

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Is SDA good for me , or they are just preaching a bad evangile ... Where should I go to really know. It good reading the bible but you can do it alone , you need help to understand , but if I ask to a priest it's a most different story as a pastor. So who should I believe ???
 
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Hi, it is Saturday.

What that verse is pertaining to (to me) is how to appropiately celebrate the Sabbath. The Torah needs no further explaination. Modern Rabbinical Judaism had made turning on lights on the Sabbath a violation, if I'm not mistaken. Pharisees were the forerunners of Rabbinical Judiasm and I belive that verse is pertaining to them not telling you how to appropiately obey the Sabbath. This does not undermine the borders of the Torah though, keep that in mind.
 
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RobSav said:
Hi, it is Saturday.

What that verse is pertaining to (to me) is how to appropiately celebrate the Sabbath. The Torah needs no further explaination. Modern Rabbinical Judaism had made turning on lights on the Sabbath a violation, if I'm not mistaken. Pharisees were the forerunners of Rabbinical Judiasm and I belive that verse is pertaining to them not telling you how to appropiately obey the Sabbath. This does not undermine the borders of the Torah though, keep that in mind.

Thanks ! :)
 
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I believe the important thing is to not judge from either side of those who are brothers and worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Paul would not take sides:

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

If we judge others when we are told that none can judge us, as Colossians tells us in the verse you gave (2:16), then we are wrong.
God will honor His covenants through the law and through grace by the faith we have in Him, according to His great love. Oh, how wonderful that we are coming together as the brothers we were meant to be and as God promised - Ephraim and Judah.
 
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Pray4Isrel said:
The Shabbat (or Sabbath) begins on Sundown Friday evening until Sundown Saturday evening.
This is not an Old or New Testament deal, this is what God has established and it is to be upheld, IMO on it's distinctive day.
As far as being SDA, how long have you been a SDA? and what attracted you to it?

I have been here over a year and it's my friend who bring me here.

Does SDA teach a bad evangile ?? Is it a good religion ??
 
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I have read what others say of the Originator Ellen G. White of the SDA that what she started was a cult. For one they believed the return of Yeshua to be in 1844. I can send you a link that talks about it if you wish to see it. I have seen in the past years that lots of Churches are Reforming their beliefs for many people are leaving so I can't say if they are Obeying YHWH or not.
I myself have recently started attending a Messianic Judaism fellowship which I find very fulfilling as they do observe the Torah and also have Faith in Yeshua.

May the peace that transcends all understanding be with you,

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Shamash Of Yeshua said:
I have read what others say of the Originator Ellen G. White of the SDA that what she started was a cult. For one they believed the return of Yeshua to be in 1844. I can send you a link that talks about it if you wish to see it. I have seen in the past years that lots of Churches are Reforming their beliefs for many people are leaving so I can't say if they are Obeying YHWH or not.
I myself have recently started attending a Messianic Judaism fellowship which I find very fulfilling as they do observe the Torah and also have Faith in Yeshua.

May the peace that transcends all understanding be with you,

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Yeah send me the link please !

But if this religion is wrong , why did God send me there ?? I always ask me this question because they are people who really read their bible and are in SDA so why did he send me to a wrong religion. Maybe it got nothing to do with God , but you seem to know more thing than me so if you could help me it would be appreciated. :)
 
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YHWH is where some get the name Jehovah from and others Yahweh. The name of GOD. Jews prefer to say Hashem which means "The Name" instead of saying His name. The pronunciation was lost long ago as some say. YHWH is Hebrew spelling in our letters. Some spell the name YHVH as well.

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Shamash Of Yeshua said:
YHWH is where some get the name Jehovah from and others Yahweh. The name of GOD. Jews prefer to say Hashem which means "The Name" instead of saying His name. The pronunciation was lost long ago as some say. YHWH is Hebrew spelling in our letters. Some spell the name YHVH as well.

May the peace that transcends all understanding be with you,
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Thank you ! :)

can you send me the link for the Ellen G White thing please ?

God Bless
 
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But if this religion is wrong, why did God send me there?
Religion in general is not a term even most believers prefer to use, as it generally pertains to a set of rules and regulations in order to obtain salvation. Roman Catholicism and Mormanism would be better examples of religion.

The specific denomination of 7th Day Adventists I am unaware of. I don't know of their doctrine other than they apparently observe Shabbat.
 
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You said in your OP ( opening post) that you were a Seventh Day Adventist, yet you don't know what they believe and don't believe? I think that is one thing you should know.

Fri-Sat Is the Biblical Sabbath, but just because one religion worships on that day doesn't mean that everything else they do is correct. You need to seek out writings outlining their beliefs and then compare it with the word of G-d, not man.
 
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SonWorshipper said:
You said in your OP ( opening post) that you were a Seventh Day Adventist, yet you don't know what they believe and don't believe? I think that is one thing you should know.

Fri-Sat Is the Biblical Sabbath, but just because one religion worships on that day doesn't mean that everything else they do is correct. You need to seek out writings outlining their beliefs and then compare it with the word of G-d, not man.

I know what they believe but I don't know why their is so many religion that are different and I don't know what religion is the really right one.
 
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CrossMovement said:
it is ok with being SDA ? cuz i'm questionning myself and I want to go to a church who teach me the right things. I can't say that SDA is bad for now but I don't know if what they are saying is all right.

So please help me with this
I too was lead to the Seventh-day Adventist denomination. There are many counterfeit links to the original writings of Ellen White. There is only one that can be trusted.It will have the word Estates with it.
The original writings of Ellen White harmonize with Scripture and she says that had we studied the Scriptures as we should her writings would not be nesscary. Hosea 6:4 tells us that His people are distroyed because they do not have a knowlege of Him and He plans for us. She was given visions to shed light on those plans that have already been revealed in His Word but that we have not diligently searched to find for ourselves. And it is remarkable how much of what she wrote has come to pass. There has not been one occassion when there has been reason to say, Opps, I guess she made a mistake on that one. If what she wrote hasn't happened yet, it soon will. Take the 9/11 incident for example. Eleven is the Biblical Number of Judgement. Check this out:
The date of the attack on the World Trade Center was 9/11.
9+1+1= what? 11
September 11 is the 254th day of the year: 2+5+4= 11
The first airplane to hit the building was Flight # 11
Flight #11 had 92 people on board: 9+2= 11
Flight #77 is a multiple of 11.
Flight #77 had 65 people on board. 6+5= 11
119 is the area code for Iraq and Iran. 1+1+9= 11
New York was the 11 state to join the union of states.
New York City, has 11 letters in its name.
Afghanistan, has 11 letters in its name
The Pentagon, has 11 letters in its name.
The Twin Towers formed the number 11 against the sky line?
Over one hundred and fifty years ago, a young woman named Ellen G. White was given a vision (Joel 2:28) while visiting New York City back when the tallest building was as high as the fire hose could reach, they say about 10 stories. She states that she saw buildings rising high into the sky. She saw them struck by a ball of fire. The firemen stood helpless, unable to put out the fire. She also wrote that the owners built these buildings on the tears of the poor. (The World Trade Center has caused thousands to suffer sorrow and become poor by the using of the family’s income to gamble the stock market that was housed inside these buildings since their completion in1973, over 100 years after this vision). The account of this vision is printed on page 11 of the 9th volume (9+1+1= 11) of Testimonies to the Churches for the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
All a coincidence? …Or a warning to the world?
After 120 years of Noah’s warnings, when the wild animals went voluntarily into the ark, predator along side of prey, it was a warning to the people of Noah’s day that Elohim’s judgement was about to take place. But none took notice of this miracle save the eight in the ark. Our Savior warns us with, “But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.” Matthew 24:36-39:sigh:
 
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CrossMovement said:
I know what they believe but I don't know why their is so many religion that are different and I don't know what religion is the really right one.

:wave:Do you know what the messenger oringinally wrote, CrossMovement, or what the modern day church is teaching? They are two different things on many points.
The most important thing for any of us to do is to study His word with a teachable spirit and He will lead us to the truth in its purity.
Ellen White wrote that she did not have ALL of the truth, that truth is progressive. She said that just because we held to some doctrine it didn't mean that it was totally correct. And when I search what she said about the revelations being given to me through His word I have to disagree with the understanding of the modern SDA church leaders. But her writings indicate that althought she was not given light on ALL of the appointed times of YHWH or His sacred name her writings are not contradictory to this light.
Most of my brethren of the faith have rejected light on His appointed times and His sacred name. But there are those in this denomination that are waking up. I came to this truth by His leading and He has held me in this faith to be a light to others even as you are here for that same reason.
Many preach Christian Unity not knowing what they preach. It is not unity to forsake your beliefs for the sake of peace. Truth is truth and can not be denied. True harmony and unity will take place among His children when they all come to a right understanding of Him and give full individual surrender to Him. This will and is taking place around this world. And these will make up His chosen priesthood.1 Peter 2:9 (KJV)
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
His "Congregation" is not any one denomination or church. His congregation will be keeping His right-rulings because they understand that there is no better way and they will have the same abiding faith in YHWH that His Son Yahushua had, knowing that no matter what, Yahweh is the Almighty Soveriegn and He is in complete control. That He has plans for us that are only good. And they will know that all authority was given to His Son, our High Priest and King of kings, the Messiah. Praise His name.
Ellen White did write that there would be no new denomination. Althought the church may look as though she is about to fall she doesn't. Do you know what this means? It means that although the SDA denomination has rejected light and has become like the other harlot daughters of the harlot of Revelation there will not be any new denomination because our Blessed Savior is coming befor ethat can happen. Praise His name.
 
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Crossmovement: I was completely wrong.

Colossien 2 verse 16 : Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: 2:17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's
We are actually to obey Pharisees, if they make demands we are to obey them. What this verse is pertaining to is that you should not let others judge you on righteousness based on how you observe.
 
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