on the crooked road

That sounds like a really sad situation to say the least. . .and I really don't have much advice that would be that helpful. I would advise you to pray, but that sounds so trite and you're already praying.

I'd say that you need to resist your feelings. Maybe you can't abolish them from existence, most likely you can't "not think it at all" (and who else here knows that the more you struggle to NOT think about something, the more you think about it?) but you can ignore it, and you can choose not to have any sort of intentional physical contact.

I just prayed for you, and I hope others will too.

One thing I do want to say is please don't make the mistake of getting involved with a guy you don't care deeply about or who you can't see as more than a friend in order to "be good" "be straight," "prove your healing" or whatever other reason.

Most likely that won't change how you feel at all, and it will just cause even more problems and even more sorrow.

Well there's not much you can do to change your sexual orientation as it's most likely fixed. But don't beat yourself up over it, it's not your fault you have feelings for other girls and I don't think God would pnish you for something you have absolutely no control over.

I wouldn't get your hopes up that God going to perform a miracle or change you (I don't doubt that He could), but alot of homosexual Christians pray expecting God to change them and they get nothing. This says to me that God doesn't feel the need to change you, which means you shouldn't worry about it.

I'm not so sure if you should act on those feelings, the Bible does seem to indicate homosexual sex is wrong. But then bottling your feelings can lead to badness too. Maybe you should keep a private diary online with a password and everything so no one can see and write down your feelings. You can even have your own Journal in the Journal forum, but anyone can read those, so if your uncomfortable with that you should find a private one.

Try to not act upon your feelings, because that would be sinful in God's eyes. I'll pray for you.

Thanks for being bold enough to share that.
*hug*
You are my sister and I love you no matter what.

You describe the feelings of a close friendship. What you have written here isn't anything that I would consider wrong, unless there's more to it that you don't want to talk about.
It sounds like you admire her in a best friend, role model, hero kind of way. The only thing wrong with that is when you get attached to someone like that you can tend to smother them if you spend a lot of time with them.
But this is what I have gathered from what you have written here.

Continue seeking God. No person on earth can take His place. Work on letting Him make you smile. He cares about you. He wants you to tell him how your day was, what you are worried about, what makes you happy. We all hunger inside for what only God can fill. It's dangerous to try and put a boy or girl in the place that God belongs.

"I don't think God would pnish you for something you have absolutely no control over."

Let's face it, it has got to be genetic. Why would anyone want to go against such a tough tough grain of society unless it was a part of their entire genetic make-up. I know there are forms of perversion which we can all be exposed to but I think that's different from this case. You can't "turn" gay, you are or you aren't. Some folks knew this even as kids! I will have to study this more but I think God was referencing perversion. How could he condemn such a thing as physical make-up. I don't have the answer but maybe before we come down here, we decide what challenges and temptations we want to take on for God? Who knows really. It has got to be one of the toughest things to have to deal with though!! I mean, I kringe when/if I see two guys.. I admit, as a straight person it is nearly sickening to me. Maybe I am being judgemental, maybe I am just made that way? I think one of the keys is not being so free about discussing or making fun of sexuality. I think God wants it to be a private thing that in todays society is mainstream quite the opposite and in your face everywhere. Perhaps being discrete about such things in general is better? It is a tough road, just pray and prepare and perhaps dont let the modern day church turn you to satan like I have seen other hmosexuals go that route.

As far as being on the crooked road. I walk this every day like everyone else does for others reasons. I will not give up and try to be the person the Lord wants me to be.

If it is a homosexual attraction, then it is not something that cannot be overcome through the LORD and His Holy Spirit, whether it is genetic or not. Homosexual behavior and feelings are a sin. That is made clear in Leviticus, and this cannot be simply forgotten. "it is abomination." (Leviticus 18:22) Abomination is a very strong word.

Now lostgal, I am not certain whether your "feelings" are homosexual. That is something that God needs to show you. If they are homosexual feelings/lusts, then you need to confess your sin (I John 1:9). Acknowledge that you did commit this action and that it is a sin. After this, do not vow (or promise) to never have these feelings /act in a sinful way towards this girl. Jesus told us "Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:But I say unto you, Swear not at all;. . .Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black." You and I have absolutely no power to resist these, but our Lord does. Ask for His grace. Pray in the heated moments of temptation. Recite verses (perhaps that verse in Leviticus). That's what I have been doing with my own sexuality struggles. God wants you to continue in His Word and to continue to pray so never stop that. As the Lord works, continue to seek Him...both sides of the Lord: God the Judge and God the Lover of Your Soul. That has been difficult to keep a perspective on. But, just humble Yourself before God and seek Him. I'll be praying sister!

Um, God also called lying lips an abomination. So if you've ever told a lie in your life, you're just as much of an abomination.

I'm not supporting homosexual actions, I believe they are sin. However, all sin can be forgiven, and all sin is equal in the eyes of God. Nobody's better than anyone else.

lostgal said:

i'm facing a trouble a teenager always does at this stage of being a 15 yr-old. LOVE. but the thing is, i'm a gal, and i like gals.

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We do not live by feelings, we live by faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God. I think you need to be lead by God in what you do. He will show you the way to go. He will give you a plan path to travel. We are all pilgrams headed for heaven. You may just be starting out, but I know a lot of older people who are near to the end of their journey.

Athlon4all while I see your point, let's see you "stop" being attracted to the opposite sex....for the remainder of your life. It will like a dam with endless holes in it and popping and seeping out everywhere. I am reading up on this more but it's like asking someone to cut their fingernails and repent every time they re-grow because it's a sin. I don't think you realize what is being said. No flames please just my outloud logical ponderance on the issue itself - not against anyone. Take care.

Also, I am not defending nor condemning gay people as you will see in my post earlier however, I am curious as to how God feels about this and I have found some conflicting material from the bible. This is probably flame material as this is a controversial subject but I would like to place it up for discussion and hope we are mature enough to handle it. Considering it is such a strong dilemna for some folks, why not see where it goes. Following are some quotes from other sites regarding the bible and gay people, not my material (the site moderator or person's opinion is usually in black..

"Some people say that Jesus had nothing to say about gay people. Jesus did talk about men who didn't play traditional male roles, who didn't procreate, and he said they could be born different, or make themselves different, and that either way was okay with Him:
Mt 18:3
For there are some eunuchs which were so born from their mother's womb...and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."
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Ok, hang on to your hats on this one and don't read if you are easily angered on this subject. I am curious as to what some of the folks who read scripture perhaps more than I think..

" Sam 18:1
The soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. I Sam 18:3
Jonathan and David made a covenant because he [Jonathan] loved him as his own soul. We see how Jonathan gave David his most personal apparel: I Sam 18:4
And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle. There is no doubt about the intensity of this love: I Sam 19:2
Jonathan Saul's son delighted much in David. I Sam 20:4
Then said Jonathan unto David, Whatsoever thy soul desireth, I will even do it for thee. And in case we are wondering how significant this love was, King David spelled it out: II Sam 1:26
Thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women. Was their love more than platonic? Well, you decide... I Sam 20:41
...they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. The Religious Tolerance Web Site states that, while the King James Version says "exceeded," the original Hebrew is actually, "David became large." When you love somebody as much as David loved Jonathan, you can imagine what "becoming large" means. Of course, most Sunday school teachers would rather not talk about this passage, and they either skip over it or say something like "David cried the most." It's clear that David loved Jonathan, and they hugged, and kissed, and felt tender loving warmth for one another. And that love was beautiful because all love is beautiful. Love defines itself. It is the most powerful force there is because God is Love."
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Wow, that is some controversial stuff! Anyone on interpretations??

Here's another link, up for discussion..

http://www.fallwell.com/fallwell4.html

Here's another I found. Again, I am not endorsing or condemning these sites, just up for discussion:

http://hcqsa.virtualave.net/bible.html

http://hcqsa.virtualave.net/index.html#nature

Athlon4all said:

If it is a homosexual attraction, then it is not something that cannot be overcome through the LORD and His Holy Spirit, whether it is genetic or not. Homosexual behavior and feelings are a sin. That is made clear in Leviticus, and this cannot be simply forgotten. "it is abomination." (Leviticus 18:22) Abomination is a very strong word.

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Abomination means ritual uncleanliness, so unles you are an Old Testament Jew this does not apply. Note Leviticus also calls eating sea food an abomination and says you can't shave.

Where does the Bible say the feelings are a sin? I know it says lust is a sin, but lust is not the same as atractions.

Sp0ck said:

"I don't think God would pnish you for something you have absolutely no control over."

Let's face it, it has got to be genetic. Why would anyone want to go against such a tough tough grain of society unless it was a part of their entire genetic make-up. I know there are forms of perversion which we can all be exposed to but I think that's different from this case. You can't "turn" gay, you are or you aren't. Some folks knew this even as kids! I will have to study this more but I think God was referencing perversion. How could he condemn such a thing as physical make-up. I don't have the answer but maybe before we come down here, we decide what challenges and temptations we want to take on for God? Who knows really. It has got to be one of the toughest things to have to deal with though!! I mean, I kringe when/if I see two guys.. I admit, as a straight person it is nearly sickening to me. Maybe I am being judgemental, maybe I am just made that way? I think one of the keys is not being so free about discussing or making fun of sexuality. I think God wants it to be a private thing that in todays society is mainstream quite the opposite and in your face everywhere. Perhaps being discrete about such things in general is better? It is a tough road, just pray and prepare and perhaps dont let the modern day church turn you to satan like I have seen other hmosexuals go that route.

As far as being on the crooked road. I walk this every day like everyone else does for others reasons. I will not give up and try to be the person the Lord wants me to be.

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I know what you mean, 2 men seems kinda icky, but then to homosexuals being with a woman would seem icky. Interestingly I watched (it's over now) Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Willow and Tara, who were lesbian lovers, did not make me cringe or anything, although I did not necessarlity agree with their relationship. But I can't help wonder if I would still have watched the show if it had have been 2 men.

The Jonathan and David thing is very interesting. I remember in school when someone was doing the bible reading they read a verse about Jonathan and David being attracted to each other or something and i thought it was strange.

Well remember that I love you no matter what. More importantly, so does God.

I'm curious about what you think about men and love.
What made you think that?

Hi lostgal. I am wondering, are you saying you have come to a conclusion on this already?

Just FYI, I have refused to watch wil and grace for 2 reasons #1 Skin crawl. #2 I have been pretty much against gay. The reason I am looking into what God really thinks instead of taking the church's word for it is that I have a mind of my own and realize that entire institutions can be wrong and against his word on certain issues. I will only follow God blindly and not a thousand years of falsity or assumptions that really have not been investigated (if that is the case). Let's face it, it's a problem! Majority of people are straight like me so they are bias. Why? Bec they cringe like me and dont want to think about it or are afraid and it doesn't apply to them anyway. So it's an easy condemn...

oh pooey i love will and grace...

anyway. I am praying for you to listen to what God is telling you and that you continue to seek him. Just as I am praying that for everyone else here on CF.

a side note. Is this girl a good friend of yours? or is she someone that you only know in passing? I know for a while I was confused as to what my feelings were for my best friend. But I realized that my love for her was because she was a dear friend. She was there for me in good and bad times and was trustworthy and a great person to hang out with. It was not a sexual or romantic feeling, but that love that I have come to notice I have for all my dear friends.

I haven't experienced any other type of love for the same gender, so I am sorry if I cannot heed any words of advice. But keep looking up for the answers from God!