lesbianism might be permissible?

i have a problem with this theory. Major chunks of the bible *speak* of/to men, this doesn't mean that these rather excessive chunks of scripture are invalid for women to adhere to though.

I take the 'overall' message of the Bible to be a guidebook to males and females alike and for the 'homosexuality references' to apply to same sex couples generally, though of course there are specific scriptural verses that refer soley to men for specific context purposes.

Do you know spanish? Or any other "systematic" languages as I call them?
In spanish, say you speak of a group of 1 million women. That would begin with "LAS" as in feminine.
If you had 1 million men it would be "LOS"
If you had 2 Trillion women, and "1" man. It would STILL be "LOS"
That is how the language works. Also, just because the bible says "man" doesn't always mean it is referring ONLY and SPECIFICALLY to the male population.
"Men ought always to pray" <-- just a quick example.
So women shouldn't? They should. I hope this helped clear things up. Interesting question u had.
Love in Christ,
Shinja

Nooooo. Sodom and Gomorrah?

It seems like it's more acceptable for women to be lesbians than for men to be gay. Funny.

49erfan said:

Leviticus 18: 22 says "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV).

This is referring to homosexual activities between men. If we are to read the Bible literally, then this only prohibits men from having sexual relations with one another.

Does this mean that lesbianism might be permissible? Maybe because it is really just mutual masturbation and there isn't a transfer of material (seminal fluid) from one woman to another?

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No, it is not ok to be a lesbian either...
In Romans 1:26 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:" 1:27"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." 1:28 "And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"

Hope this answers your question..

Love in Christ,
Nita

I think you may be reading this wrong.

Leviticus 18: 22 says "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV).

It was addressed to men. It is like saying, "Do not lie with a man as one (as a man) lies with a woman.

I am glad Romans 1 was quoted by another member. It helps you understand scripture better when you compare scriptures for a larger view of things instead of looking at one scripture alone and coming to a conclusion. It is allways important to read the chapter that you find the scripture in to see who is being addresed and why. Ask the following things with reading a scripture to get the whole picture:

Who, what, where, why, when and how? Cross reference and take a look around the scriptue until you are able to answer these questions. This helps me greatly with my study and I come out better understanding things and with less questions.

I hope this helps you some. God bless.

Kirisutokyoo-shinja said:

Do you know spanish? Or any other "systematic" languages as I call them?
In spanish, say you speak of a group of 1 million women. That would begin with "LAS" as in feminine.
If you had 1 million men it would be "LOS"
If you had 2 Trillion women, and "1" man. It would STILL be "LOS"
That is how the language works. Also, just because the bible says "man" doesn't always mean it is referring ONLY and SPECIFICALLY to the male population.
"Men ought always to pray" <-- just a quick example.
So women shouldn't? They should. I hope this helped clear things up. Interesting question u had.
Love in Christ,
Shinja

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The problem with your analysis is that it ignores the fact that the genders in the Leviticus verse are quite clear. If they weren't, we would get this:

A person should not lie with a person as with a person.

This basically prohibits all sex.

49erfan said:

Leviticus 18: 22 says "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV).

This is referring to homosexual activities between men. If we are to read the Bible literally, then this only prohibits men from having sexual relations with one another.

Does this mean that lesbianism might be permissible? Maybe because it is really just mutual masturbation and there isn't a transfer of material (seminal fluid) from one woman to another?

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People in the ancient world did not believe that two women could have sex. Notice that all sexual sins that a woman according to the Old Testament can commit involve a man (or a male animal in the case of inappropriate behavior with animals).

Neeter said:

No, it is not ok to be a lesbian either...
In Romans 1:26 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:" 1:27"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." 1:28 "And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"

Hope this answers your question..

Love in Christ,
Nita

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I think that this is a reference to inappropriate behavior with animals, since this was mentioned elsewhere in the Bible and was part of pagan religious practices. Lesbianism was neither.

49erfan said:

Leviticus 18: 22 says "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV).

This is referring to homosexual activities between men. If we are to read the Bible literally, then this only prohibits men from having sexual relations with one another.

Does this mean that lesbianism might be permissible? Maybe because it is really just mutual masturbation and there isn't a transfer of material (seminal fluid) from one woman to another?

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The bible was written that way because it was only addressed to men really. In the times when it was written, society didn't take the actions of women into account. For the record, I see nothing wrong with gay, lesbian or straight relationships, regardless of anything in the bible.

feral said:

The bible was written that way because it was only addressed to men really. In the times when it was written, society didn't take the actions of women into account.

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Err, and you know this how???

To the contrary I think some books such as Exodus could almost be read as feminist literature.

Neeter said:

In Romans 1:26 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:"

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But that doesn't specifically say they became lesbians. It just says they changed the "natural use into that which is against nature". That could mean a number of things.

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Of course Lesbianism is just as wrong as gayism (is that a word ) If the Romans reference was not enough for you (In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established.) Look at Genesis. When God made Eve out of Adam's side he established His ideal for marriage. A man and a woman. He even made our bodies to fit together. Male/Male Female/Female relationships are not something that God approves of at all. Although he of course still loves the practicers, he hates the practice.

Mayor said:

Of course Lesbianism is just as wrong as gayism (is that a word ) If the Romans reference was not enough for you (In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established.) Look at Genesis. When God made Eve out of Adam's side he established His ideal for marriage. A man and a woman. He even made our bodies to fit together. Male/Male Female/Female relationships are not something that God approves of at all. Although he of course still loves the practicers, he hates the practice.

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Where does God specifically say He doesn't approve of lesbians?

fragmentsofdreams said:

I think that this is a reference to inappropriate behavior with animals, since this was mentioned elsewhere in the Bible and was part of pagan religious practices. Lesbianism was neither.

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I was pretty sure I had the right idea when I gave those verses. Since you didn't think it meant what I did, I went back and read the verses again. Thanks for the great study.

If you look at Romans 1:23 You will see that it is talking about making idols/images and worshiping them, not having sex with them..and after that is when God gave the people up to "uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:"

When inappropriate behavior with animals is mentioned in His word it talks about laying with a beast, as in Deuteronomy 27:21 Leviticus 18:23, 20:15-16 and Exodus 22:19..

Love in Christ,
Nita

For the record, I see nothing wrong with gay, lesbian or straight relationships, regardless of anything in the bible.

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Typical.

Reminder:

Revelation 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Sleepyd said:

Typical.

Reminder:

Revelation 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

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My understanding was that passage specifically refers the Revelation, not the Bible as a whole.

Pete Harcoff said:

Where does God specifically say He doesn't approve of lesbians?

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The Bible may not mention paedophilia or driving in heavily populated areas at 150 mph, stalking, smoking 500 cigarrettes a day, but does that mean it's ok to do so? No.


Anyway, as has been quoted by far more knowledgeable people than myself, there are indeed scriptural references that infer that the overall meaning of the "homosexuality" verses, are not always to be interpreted for the benefit of the rebuke of gay men only, but also for those who are lesbians.

There have been scriptures quoted here which have dealt with the topic. Those scriptures are God's truth and for those who will not accept it, all I can say is there is none so blind as he who WILL NOT see.