Fahrenheit 9/11

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too well, thanks jameseb! if MMHA makes it to my area i may break down and watch Fahrenheit 9/11 just for kicks.

from http://www.nbc6.net/entertainment/3390666/detail.html (or from the swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter if you can find/translate it, i've not tried yet, can't run babelfish behind the work firewall)

"He stole my title and changed the numbers without ever asking me for permission," the 83-year-old Bradbury reportedly said in the interview.

Bradbury also called Moore a "horrible human being" in the interview, yet insisted that his anger had nothing to do with Moore's political views.
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Why does Michael Moore hate America so much? Why doen't he just renounce his citizency? That, I would respect him more (not that I ever did).
Why do you say he hates America? Because he disagrees with certain policies? Because he's not a fan of things the current president has done? If he really hated America I'm sure he would leave. It isn't as though he doesn't have the money. But my guess is that he doesn't hate America, and it's his appreciation for a country that allows him freedom of speech, freedom to protest and freedom to present his views publically that motivates him to advocate for changes he feels will be beneficial.

Should everyone who tries to change things they don't agree with be kicked out of the US? Would this country be a better place if everyone who had a problem with it had left instead of trying to make a difference? (Slavery, women's suffrage, the list could go on indefinitely...)

Even more bafflingly, do you honestly award more respect to those who run away instead of fighting for what they believe in?
 
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jsn112 said:
Why does Michael Moore hate America so much? Why doen't he just renounce his citizency? That, I would respect him more (not that I ever did).
Micael Moore grew up in Flint, Michigan. He is a card-carrying lifetime member of the NRA. Michael Moore criticizes this country because he sees room for improvement. You may not agree with him, but you can at least agree that this country could be a lot better. He is trying to bring attention to injustices and he of course slathers it all with his own opinions and his desire to make a buck. But he does not hate America.


You can disagree with him and think hes an idiot, but to call him an America-hater is simply an ignorant statement. History shows that Americans that criticize and push for change and push controversial issues to the forefront are definitely not America haters, but America lovers.



The September 11th commission criticized the government as well. Would you call that commission an America hater?



Rush Limbaugh criticizes and points fingers. He assigns blame and complains about so many things in this country…would you call him an America hater? I disagree with him quite a bit but I don’t think he hates America.
 
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.....what is remarkable are the cliches parroted by the servile lemmings in society who refuse to recognize the arrogance and ignorance which corrupts the present system of things. False pride is evidently more valuable to them than critical thinking, and the spirit of dissent which launched progressive reforms in the past, seen as the enemy. Quite pathetic when self worship is personified in nationalism, the same disease causing untold harm in the world. America, change it or lose it.
 
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Valkyr said:
Why do you say he hates America? Because he disagrees with certain policies? Because he's not a fan of things the current president has done? If he really hated America I'm sure he would leave. It isn't as though he doesn't have the money. But my guess is that he doesn't hate America, and it's his appreciation for a country that allows him freedom of speech, freedom to protest and freedom to present his views publically that motivates him to advocate for changes he feels will be beneficial.

Should everyone who tries to change things they don't agree with be kicked out of the US? Would this country be a better place if everyone who had a problem with it had left instead of trying to make a difference? (Slavery, women's suffrage, the list could go on indefinitely...)

Even more bafflingly, do you honestly award more respect to those who run away instead of fighting for what they believe in?


Moore did his US bashing even before Bush got into the White House (i.e. Columbine). I never said anything about the current administration. Just the US in general.
 
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renegade pariah said:
.....what is remarkable are the cliches parroted by the servile lemmings in society who refuse to recognize the arrogance and ignorance which corrupts the present system of things. False pride is evidently more valuable to them than critical thinking, and the spirit of dissent which launched progressive reforms in the past, seen as the enemy. Quite pathetic when self worship is personified in nationalism, the same disease causing untold harm in the world. America, change it or lose it.


Not when false information is spread as fact. It's called propaganda.
 
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