Satanic Cults just a Myth or Real?

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how can they deny the very existence of SNAT but still practice Black Magick AND believe in demons
Black magick and Satan dont go hand in hand. Black magick is just magick that produces a negative outcome.

I just want to get some points across about Wicca that I didnt see addressed so far. Some people believe Wicca = Satanism. This couldnt be more wrong. They are two entirely different things.

And don't forget the stereotypical use of pentagramms: Every stupid Hollywood-horror movie features one of those, notwithstanding the fact that this symbol isn't even REMOTELY satanic in origin.


This one has been addressed but the pentagram (an upright star with a circle around it) is not satanic its actually a protective symbol in Wicca. A REVERSED pentagram, as someone has already stated, IS Satanic, if you put a goat head in it where the upper two points are horns. I can get a pic if you like. I believe its called Baphomet.

Conservative Christians who see anything that disagrees with their theology as "satanic,"

I am pretty understanding of other peoples belifs. I dont think there is one true way to Divinity. I also will never try to convert anyone to my religion. It comes to you. But Christians that think anything that isnt their religion is Satanic bug me. I'm pretty sure these are the same people that think Harry Potter, HARRY POTTER, is Satanic?!?! That's just silly to me.

That makes me mad when I see pentagrams symbolizing devil-worship.
They are a Pagan/Wiccan symbol for harmony and peace. Also a symbol for feminism and the god Venus. Where did the Devil come out of that?!?!

I've never seen the pentagram represent feminism and the god venus. Where did you hear that?

Oh and don't forget that it was a christian symbol worn on knights shields for protection.


That's interesting, ill use that in arguments when people say its evil :cool:


 
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Some people believe the pentagram is the symbol of the Star of Bethlehem, the circle means fulfillment. My uncle who is a Christian (Pentecostal), has a pentagram on his grave (he belonged to the Freemason group), the first time i saw it i was like, .......what is going on here!..... then i did some studying up on this symbol.
 
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Hey~

WiccanHeart said:
Black magick is just magick that produces a negative outcome....

I've never seen the pentagram represent feminism and the god venus.

There is no black or white magick, or black or white Witches, or black or white witchcraft. Magick is simply that, magick. The intent behind it is what can be classified as good or bad, but magick, in and of itself, is nothing but energy. Pure and simple.

The pentagram with the single point up does represent the Divine feminine. In ancient times, it represented the Goddess Kore, whose sacred fruit is the apple. When an apple is cut tranversely(horizantally through the middle), inside is a naturally occuring pentagram, usually with a seed in each point. Venus isn't a God, She's a Goddess, & the pentagram very well could be used to represent or honor Her because of that. It is a symbol of protection & spirituality, & in Wicca, represents Earth, Air, Fire, Water, & Spirit.

Incidentally, the pentagram is a very ancient symbol, & Christians used it first. It represented spiritual knowledge, & was sometimes referred to as the Star of Bethlehem. The Freemasons & the Order of the Eastern
Star, who are largely comprised of Christians, still use both the upright & inverted pentagram today.

Religious Satanists used the inverse pentagram with the head of a goat (the symbol for carnal desires, passion, sensuality, physical & mental gratification) & call it the Sigil of Baphomet. It isn't a symbol used to specifically denote "evil", as religious Satanists do not acknowledge the Christian deification of satan. Satan, to Satanists, is an archetype, representative of what their relgion is about, self-reliance, rationality, questioning everything, & instant gratification, et al. That is why they use the inverse pentagram, it represents the carnal side of existance rather than the spriritual.

Also, Libby1, you believe in demons apparently...because aren't you a Christian? As I said, they don't believe in the Christian concept of Satan, as a quasi-deity, but they believe in what he (Satan the archetype) represents. Satanists tend to look at the Christian God as something that wants humankind to exist in blissful ignorance, blindly following what they're told without thinking for themselves. Satan is the opposite of that. The cardinal sin of Satanism is stupidity, & many of them feel that Christians allow themselves to be "dumbed-down" for the benefit of their version of God.


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Cerridwen said:
There is no black or white magick, or black or white Witches, or black or white witchcraft. Magick is simply that, magick. The intent behind it is what can be classified as good or bad, but magick, in and of itself, is nothing but energy. Pure and simple.

I 100% agree with this, but, to simplify a negative intent and a positive intent couldnt you put the label white and black?

Incidentally, the pentagram is a very ancient symbol, & Christians used it first. It represented spiritual knowledge, & was sometimes referred to as the Star of Bethlehem. The Freemasons & the Order of the Eastern
Star, who are largely comprised of Christians, still use both the upright & inverted pentagram today.

I did not know that. I guess its true that you learn something new every day. Thank you.

I know Venus is a goddes not a god. I mistyped it.
 
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Hey~
Thank ya thank ya :D.
What I mean by the phrase "dumbed down", to clarify, is the belief by *some, not all* Satanists & *again, some, not all* many Atheists is that Christians have allowed themselves to be made to appear rather unintelligent, if you will, in that they completely & without question believe in a (quite possibly) made-up story about rules, sin,the world around us, Heaven & Hell, & how to get there. By this, I mean that when one has to, say, accept the belief that the whole universe was created in 6 days, or that dinosaurs coexisted with humans, or that a God who first demanded sacrifice & all manner of ridiculous repentance suddenly did a 180 & became this all loving all compassionate fellow. Beliefs like that give the idea that *some* Christians have kinda thrown all sense of logic right out the window. Hope that makes a little more coherent sense, lol.
I wasn't referring to Pagans as having been "dumbed down" as it were, because, without a doubt, we are encouraged to think for ourselves, to only accept what makes sense, to not follow along blindly without understanding the path for ourselves.

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In addition to christianity is also applicable to wiccans, satanists (especially LaVey claiming no satan) but all branches, pagans, the Budda religion, Ghandi's religion, Mormonism, Jehovah Witness, Catholicism, .....including the 'evolution' theory, parallel world theories, time travel, 'metaphysics', etc.


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anyone heared of the biblecode?
what they do is like do a search and like every 11th letter they pick out and they make words etc..

and the bible code talks about hitler iraq saddam hussein etc. it is rather interesting, you can get the bible code software at this website, and they also have magnetic rings that are supposed to increase your vitality.
here is the link anyway

http://www.alexchiu.com/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=scallchad
 
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Hey~

Libby1 said:
In addition to christianity is also applicable to wiccans, satanists (especially LaVey claiming no satan) but all branches, pagans, the Budda religion, Ghandi's religion, Mormonism, Jehovah Witness, Catholicism, .....including the 'evolution' theory, parallel world theories, time travel, 'metaphysics', etc.

I'm sorry, what? This paragraph doesn't make a whole lot of sense, what exactly are you saying is "also applicable"?

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Cerridwen said:
Hey~
Thank ya thank ya :D.
What I mean by the phrase "dumbed down", to clarify, is the belief by *some, not all* Satanists & *again, some, not all* many Atheists is that Christians have allowed themselves to be made to appear rather unintelligent, if you will, in that they completely & without question believe in a (quite possibly) made-up story about rules, sin,the world around us, Heaven & Hell, & how to get there. By this, I mean that when one has to, say, accept the belief that the whole universe was created in 6 days, or that dinosaurs coexisted with humans, or that a God who first demanded sacrifice & all manner of ridiculous repentance suddenly did a 180 & became this all loving all compassionate fellow. Beliefs like that give the idea that *some* Christians have kinda thrown all sense of logic right out the window. Hope that makes a little more coherent sense, lol. *
Yes, i know what your talking about here, i've not been Christian forever. When i was first a Christian i could not see how the new and old testaments went together, i didn't even believe they did. But over time God has shown me that they do. I wouldn't say that the world was made in 6 of our days, i know it is possible with our God to do that, but i'm not sure if the bible means 6, 24hour days. I'm content to just say i don't know. It hit me one day that we have a God who is like 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (hehe)times 'smarter' than us, just to start on a number, and i realized that i was wretched and poor, naked and blind, in need of a Saviour. So i am definitly 'dumbed-down' in front of God. I've discovered that i am on this earth for a short while, we all are, and we are not as smart as we think. I don't agree that Christians stop thinking, I think more now as a Christian than i did before, there is what God says, and there is what man says, and i have to learn the two and work out what i say. Anyways....ttfn.
 
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quote from Cerridwen's post
"...What I mean by the phrase "dumbed down", to clarify, is the belief by *some, not all* Satanists & *again, some, not all* many Atheists is that Christians have allowed themselves to be made to appear rather unintelligent, if you will, in that they completely & without question believe in a (quite possibly) made-up story about rules, sin,the world around us, Heaven & Hell, & how to get there. By this, I mean that when one has to, say, accept the belief that the whole universe was created in 6 days, or that dinosaurs coexisted with humans, or that a God who first demanded sacrifice & all manner of ridiculous repentance suddenly did a 180 & became this all loving all compassionate fellow. Beliefs like that give the idea that *some* Christians have kinda thrown all sense of logic right out the window. Hope that makes a little more coherent sense, lol.
I wasn't referring to Pagans as having been "dumbed down" as it were, because, without a doubt, we are encouraged to think for ourselves, to only accept what makes sense, to not follow along blindly without understanding the path for ourselves."


The following quote is in response to the above claiming 'made up story' etc. The same analogy you used above is certainly applicable as per the quote below.


quote from Libby1's post "...In addition to christianity is also applicable to wiccans, satanists (especially LaVey claiming no satan) but all branches, pagans, the Budda religion, Ghandi's religion, Mormonism, Jehovah Witness, Catholicism, .....including the 'evolution' theory, parallel world theories, time travel, 'metaphysics', etc."

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One thing i can't understand is how LaVey type satanists claim to not believe in satan when they pray to it, do rituals in it's name, and call on it ....now that to me is throwing all sence of logic right out the window. I admit there are still a lot of questions i have about the bible, i think all Christians do...but at least when we say we believe we are telling the truth.
 
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Iollain said:
One thing i can't understand is how LaVey type satanists claim to not believe in satan when they pray to it, do rituals in it's name, and call on it ....now that to me is throwing all sence of logic right out the window. I admit there are still a lot of questions i have about the bible, i think all Christians do...but at least when we say we believe we are telling the truth.

They do not believe in Satan as he exists in the christian mythology. They see him/it as a dark force that offers power to those bold enough to seek it. They simply chose "Satan" as their mascot (IMHO) to generate publicity.
 
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Libby1 said:
The following quote is in response to the above claiming 'made up story' etc. The same analogy you used above is certainly applicable as per the quote below.


quote from Libby1's post "...In addition to christianity is also applicable to wiccans, satanists (especially LaVey claiming no satan) but all branches, pagans, the Budda religion, Ghandi's religion, Mormonism, Jehovah Witness, Catholicism, .....including the 'evolution' theory, parallel world theories, time travel, 'metaphysics', etc."

Libby1

That comparison is simply not true. LaVeyan satanists certainly do not follow anything blindly. Wiccans & all Pagans are encouraged, first & foremost, to figure things out for ourselves, find our own paths to the Divine. Our relgions, especially reconstructionist Pagan relgions, are very centrally based on the obtaining of knowledge, not blissful ignorance. Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, & Catholics, whether mainstream Christians accept it or not, are still basically Christian. They believe in the God of Christendom in some form or another, so that argument really doesn't help you there. Buddhists base their path on personal enlightenment, read, knowledge. I don't think it's fitting to refer to Buddhism as "religion", per se, however, because there isn't really a "god" concept found within. Hinduism is hardly a dogma, but (rather) a working hypothesis of human conduct adapted to different stages of spiritual development and different conditions of life. Obviously, for that to be so, it requires a certain degree of self-actualized thinking. Subscribing to the Theory of Evolution is certainly not the effectual "dumbing down", as to accept Evolution is to accept observable facts. Parrallel Universes, Metaphysical & Esoteric ideas, & time travel all require a sense of questioning what we're told to believe as gospel truth without checking it out for ourselves, so again, your argument fails.

Iollain said:
One thing i can't understand is how LaVey type satanists claim to not believe in satan when they pray to it, do rituals in it's name, and call on it ....now that to me is throwing all sence of logic right out the window. I admit there are still a lot of questions i have about the bible, i think all Christians do...but at least when we say we believe we are telling the truth.

I know I have said this several times in various places on this board, & I'm certain I'm not alone...but-read carefully- here I go again: religious Satanists DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT believe in the Christian concept or deification of Satan. Their representative & the Christian quasi-deity are TWO DIFFERENT entities.

"At least when we say we believe we are telling the truth"...hmmm...maybe a nice concept for Christians intent on converting us to grasp. When we Pagans and/or Wiccans say we believe in our Gods (or don't believe in yours) we are telling the truth...that goes both ways there, honey.

Yay for you, Skellybones! Someone FINALLY gets it!!

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Cerridwen said:
"At least when we say we believe we are telling the truth"...hmmm...maybe a nice concept for Christians intent on converting us to grasp. When we Pagans and/or Wiccans say we believe in our Gods (or don't believe in yours) we are telling the truth...that goes both ways there, honey.
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I was talking about satanists here, not Pagans and or Wiccans. Still makes no particular sence to me to worship satan and say that ye don't. But then they may be speaking their native language. ;)
 
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Iollain said:
I was talking about satanists here, not Pagans and or Wiccans. Still makes no particular sence to me to worship satan and say that ye don't. But then they may be speaking their native language. ;)

ARRRRRGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

ONCE MORE:

Religious Satanists DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT believe in the Christian concept or deification of Satan. Their representative & the Christian quasi-deity are TWO DIFFERENT entities.

They don't worship your Satan!!! They don't claim to worship your Satan!!!
They don't worship any deity AT ALL. They worship THEMSELVES. Satanism is a self-actualized religion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Serenity Now!!
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