Texas Sodomy Law Overturned
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Unfairly judging people, according to irrelevant criteria, in any shape or form, is morally detestable.
And unless you are looking for a partner to get intimate with, someone's sexual preference is of no relevance whatsoever. (you just try to think of one good reason why it should otherwise matter, just one)
The Bible claims that God is opposed to homosexuality, but gives no proper reason why. It's this lack of reason, that makes the alledged objections unreasonable by definition.
The Bible also says, if I'm parafrasing correctly, that you should treat people the way you wish to be treated. I strongly doubt there's a single gay-basher here, who would want to be subject to the same lack of courtesy they'd show homosexuals.
So either that bit of the Bible is bogus and needs to go out the window, or several other ones do.
Culture enriches the quality of life, barbarism robs from it. Anti-homosexuality laws add nothing to the quality of anyone's lifes, they only indulge irrational fears; they're barbaric.
That's my 2cts and then some.
And unless you are looking for a partner to get intimate with, someone's sexual preference is of no relevance whatsoever. (you just try to think of one good reason why it should otherwise matter, just one)
The Bible claims that God is opposed to homosexuality, but gives no proper reason why. It's this lack of reason, that makes the alledged objections unreasonable by definition.
The Bible also says, if I'm parafrasing correctly, that you should treat people the way you wish to be treated. I strongly doubt there's a single gay-basher here, who would want to be subject to the same lack of courtesy they'd show homosexuals.
So either that bit of the Bible is bogus and needs to go out the window, or several other ones do.
Culture enriches the quality of life, barbarism robs from it. Anti-homosexuality laws add nothing to the quality of anyone's lifes, they only indulge irrational fears; they're barbaric.
That's my 2cts and then some.
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What I and other consenting adults do in our bedrooms is none of the government's business.
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Theologically:
Homosexuality is still a sin wether the law allows it or not. Such is the case with many things. Adultry for example. The fact that man's law allows this does not change God's Law.
Politically:
Remove the whole issue of sodomy and homosexuality from the equasion and what do you have? You have the Federal Supreme Court overruling a State law. Think about the prescedent this sets. This is nothing new but merely an escalation of what they've been doing for the past 30 odd years. It started with Roe vs. Wade and it's been slowly building from there.
Homosexuality is still a sin wether the law allows it or not. Such is the case with many things. Adultry for example. The fact that man's law allows this does not change God's Law.
Politically:
Remove the whole issue of sodomy and homosexuality from the equasion and what do you have? You have the Federal Supreme Court overruling a State law. Think about the prescedent this sets. This is nothing new but merely an escalation of what they've been doing for the past 30 odd years. It started with Roe vs. Wade and it's been slowly building from there.
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Marcel said:
What??? No good reason? It gives a pretty good one in my opinion...
Leviticus 18:4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God.
Sounds like a pretty good reason to me.
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FOMWatts<>< said:
What reason? I see the demand, but where's the reasoning behind it?
That's still 'God says so', without God saying why. Demand without reason. Exactly the point I was making. And you're basicly saying that you don't need a reason from God... which doesn't mean a reason was provided now does it?
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FOMWatts:
You follow ALL of the laws and decrees, FOMWatts? What was the purpose again of the laws given to the children of Israel and why no mention of lesbianism in this law?
In agape love,
Leecappella
You follow ALL of the laws and decrees, FOMWatts? What was the purpose again of the laws given to the children of Israel and why no mention of lesbianism in this law?
In agape love,
Leecappella
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Unless you are looking for a partner to get intimate with, someone's sexual preference is of no relevance whatsoever. (you just try to think of one good reason why it should otherwise matter, just one)
Any takers?
Any takers?
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Knight:
State laws must comply with the Constitution of the US, as that is the law of the land. State constitutions may be "more strict in protecting rights" than the federal one, but cannot be more lax. Therefore, if a state law infringes on the rights within the Constitution, the Supreme Court has the right to overrule it. There is no precedence in this or in Roe v. Wade.
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edited to say what I meant, instead of the opposite of what I meant. My brain is turning rather slowly.
State laws must comply with the Constitution of the US, as that is the law of the land. State constitutions may be "more strict in protecting rights" than the federal one, but cannot be more lax. Therefore, if a state law infringes on the rights within the Constitution, the Supreme Court has the right to overrule it. There is no precedence in this or in Roe v. Wade.
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edited to say what I meant, instead of the opposite of what I meant. My brain is turning rather slowly.
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Marcel,
This is immoral, depending on who you talk to. Two guys going at it is not a natural behavior. I don't think we have to go into the intricate details as to why. Besides that is not allowed here.
God created the sexual functions between a man and a woman. They work very naturally that way too. God created these sexual functions for procreation and at the same time a bonus pleasure between them.
It is man who has created what was natural into something unnatural and finds it ok.
This is immoral, depending on who you talk to. Two guys going at it is not a natural behavior. I don't think we have to go into the intricate details as to why. Besides that is not allowed here.
God created the sexual functions between a man and a woman. They work very naturally that way too. God created these sexual functions for procreation and at the same time a bonus pleasure between them.
It is man who has created what was natural into something unnatural and finds it ok.
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wilderness,
Yes, they had the right to overule it. All they have basically done is made it illegal to catch people in their houses having incest or homo love.
Yes, they had the right to overule it. All they have basically done is made it illegal to catch people in their houses having incest or homo love.
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leecappella said:
Actually, that is exactly my point, no I do not follow every law and commandment of God, but I do repent when I break one, and my point was that we do not have to have a reason from God, because HE IS GOD. That is the reason, He made us and those are HIS rules. Why would the CREATOR owe the creation an explanation? He doesn't. He also gives the reason that it is detestable in His eyes, which happen to be the only eyes that matter. I think the whole topic is silly because we, as man, make homosexuality out to be a WORSE sin than any other, and to be quite honest I have more of a problem with a liar than I do a gay person. God however does not see thigns as I do, He hates ALL sin and ALL sin separates us from His love. Jesus Christ builds the bridge across that separation and no sin is worse than the other, it is all reason enough for us to be condemned, thank God He is more merciful than that.
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FOMWatts<>< said:
What you fail to understand is that many of us don't believe in your god, and many others believe in god differently than you. You must not impose your religious beliefs on me. They offend me very much in this instance.
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Firscherscherling said:
Then you may want to think about posting outside of the Christian Only Areas
I'm sorry that the Word of God offends you, it wasn't meant to be offensive just a great guide for your life.Blessings,
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P.S.: I do not fail to understand the lack of belief in the world of my God, but I do fail to recognize its significance in discussion of the rules set forth by my God. I'm not imposing my beliefs on anyone, I'm stating the fact according to God's Word and nothing more.
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Extirpated Wildlife said:
Incest? Incest does not equal sodomy. People engaged in incest can particpate in sodomy, but people engaged in sodomy are not necessarily particpants in incest.
I don't want government agents peeking in my bedroom to make sure that my husband and I aren't engaged in sodomy. Or peeking in my bedroom seeing who I'm sexually engaged with, for that matter. What goes on sexually between two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home (or in private in general) is not the government's business.
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If you want to know something that only humans do, and animals in nature don't... uphold religious beliefs. Homosexuality however, has been shown to occur in the animal kingdome.Extirpated Wildlife said:
http://www.subversions.com/french/pages/science/animals.html
http://www.stonewallinn.com/Features/BioExEssay.html
http://www.rnw.nl/lifestyle/html/gayanimals000808.html
What are you going to say next? It's not normal? Guess what; being a minority does NOT make you wrong!
So the thought of (yup), (youbetcha) and (that too) grosses you out. Does that justify anything? No. Nobody is forcing you to do any of that.
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FOMWatts:
What you may seemingly fail to see is that when you open the bible and read the words on its pages and you come to a conclusion about what you just read, you have made a decision regarding what the bible is saying to you, personally, based on how you personally perceive the words on the pages. This is interpretation. Others do this as well, including myself, but the difference is that when we all read even the same passages, we may sometimes come to different conclusions based on personal pereceptions of the words on the page. Many of us know biblical history and culture, some do not. We take into account this or that while some others may not take certain things we take into account. Understand? This effects the conclusions each one of us comes to. That's why you see something this way and another person sees it that way. Our methods are different when concluding on scripture. We may share similar methods of understanding scripture, but some of us have more steps to our methods while others may have less steps. The outcome is greatly affected by our personal methods. Why do you think a jury may come to clash when discussing a trial? Someone has taken into account something someone else may not have taken into account and they see things differently. You say you are not imposing your beliefs on someone else. That you are simply sharing the word of God. This, I'm sure is true, but it would appear that you are sharing the word of God as you have interpreted it. As mentioned previously, not everyone interprets what you see in the same way you do and, thus come out with the same conclusion as you, even on the same passages or texts of scripture.
In agape love,
leecappella
What you may seemingly fail to see is that when you open the bible and read the words on its pages and you come to a conclusion about what you just read, you have made a decision regarding what the bible is saying to you, personally, based on how you personally perceive the words on the pages. This is interpretation. Others do this as well, including myself, but the difference is that when we all read even the same passages, we may sometimes come to different conclusions based on personal pereceptions of the words on the page. Many of us know biblical history and culture, some do not. We take into account this or that while some others may not take certain things we take into account. Understand? This effects the conclusions each one of us comes to. That's why you see something this way and another person sees it that way. Our methods are different when concluding on scripture. We may share similar methods of understanding scripture, but some of us have more steps to our methods while others may have less steps. The outcome is greatly affected by our personal methods. Why do you think a jury may come to clash when discussing a trial? Someone has taken into account something someone else may not have taken into account and they see things differently. You say you are not imposing your beliefs on someone else. That you are simply sharing the word of God. This, I'm sure is true, but it would appear that you are sharing the word of God as you have interpreted it. As mentioned previously, not everyone interprets what you see in the same way you do and, thus come out with the same conclusion as you, even on the same passages or texts of scripture.
In agape love,
leecappella
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I agree completely that we can read the same thigns and come to two different conclusions, but nto about something that is plainly and boldly stated in the Word of God. No interpretation is needed. Especially if we are talking about sin, sin is sin, and it ALL separates us from God. Is this not clear in the Bible? That is all I have said. Yes I beloeve we can take God at His Word, and I guess THAT is my interpretation, but I do not feel God owes me anything let alone an explanation of WHY something is wrong. I wish to goodness having sex wasn't wrong outside of marriage, but God says it is so thats what I mark myself by. If I mess up and break that rule God is just and if I repent He will forgive me. I am afraid I am not understanding where we disagree...I have neevr said that I was the Truth of the matter, btu I will stand by the FACT that God's Word IS THE TRUTH of the matter.
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