Hang your head in shame America....

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blessed being said:
now the point here is that there shudnt have been a war in the first place! and i support wot lucky charm is saying but if we think about it none of this suffering pain death etc would have happened if we hadnt of gone to war with the americans!

I love your spelling blessed being. Seriously.

All of my family are dyslexic, so we have a spectrum of spelling oddities. Yours really work though: they communicate what you mean; really beautifully.

"Shudnt" is just fantastic: and again seriously. It's communication width is wonderful.
I really belive that dyslexics (not implying you are, you just show how to do it) should use language really plastically: and not be "corrected", and shunted down another's road of how usage "should be".
 
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What if they were just so blasted war-weary in body and soul that their reflexes had been worn raw, and shooting back was all they could really do at the moment?

This is why we must only put forces in theatre, as last resort, and only as absolutely required.

This is why there must be no ambivalence about what we ar in theatre to do.

This why we must not send our young folks out to war, unless we are prepared to equip them: materially, in numbers, in wise and full planning, in consensual support, in ethicality and legality of deployment, in purity of political motive and direction.

full battle rattle

Love it, as word play.
 
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blessed being said:
thnx exist. i can write it properly its just that im so used to writing like this on msn! it takes me a while to do it the proper way though! i can never spell anything right though its always veiw instead of view etc.! neway wot do u think of the war on terrorism?
Personally, I think spelling is overrated. So long as one keeps a reasonable degree of legibility, it is the content which should matter in informal communication, not if the writer does or does not dot his 'i's or cross his 't's. Personally, I try to maintain a precise grammatical layout, but that is merely the way I function.
 
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Existential1 said:
This is why we must only put forces in theatre, as last resort, and only as absolutely required.

This is why there must be no ambivalence about what we ar in theatre to do.

This why we must not send our young folks out to war, unless we are prepared to equip them: materially, in numbers, in wise and full planning, in consensual support, in ethicality and legality of deployment, in purity of political motive and direction.
yes this is very true in theory if we r gonna send troops equip them but this conflict was a very quick one to start if u c wot i mean. we first of all didnt exhaust all other options b4 war and we didnt equip them properly. but after our government disobeyed the first rule (other posibilities) but they needed to act quickly to prevent saddam from harming any other people it was a rushed job and i think now we are seeing the cracks!
 
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thnx exist. i can write it properly its just that im so used to writing like this on msn! it takes me a while to do it the proper way though! i can never spell anything right though its always veiw instead of view etc.! neway wot do u think of the war on terrorism?

The war on terrorism is a modern mythology.

It acts, as a perspective, to prevent us viewing and seeing.

It acts, as a political ideology, to oversee a movement of our domestic societies in dark and unfree direction.

It creates profound, conflict filled, and hate engendering division in the human world.

It is crucially an instrument of comprehension and manipulation of a critically Christian project: where that project has been strangely informed by variants of evangelical, and perhaps often USA, Christianity.

The war on terrorism is, in crucial regard, an extension of evangelical prosetylisation, by other means.

Clearly there is another side, similarly disposed: there is also Islamic literalist fanaticism.

The redeeming way, is for the tolerant to retake the middle ground: and disarm the fanactics of both sides.

The crucifixion reality, is that in both camps: those of tolerance (or liberals on CF) will be branded as domestic terrorists; as apostates of collective doctrine and solidarity.

We of tolerance, and here on CF that can mean those who emphasise Jesus in the trinity: must not allow our doctrine of tolerance to be eroded, as we grapple with the fanatics; the myth of terrorism will only dissipate in the warming sun of human tolerance, sustained in God's grace.
 
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very protic and quite true but dont u thnk that in this world god has created other religions to tempt us but also created free will so those who chose evangelism or islamic fundamentlaism it is there choice and if they choose to take an extremist view they can and no-one has the right to stop them?
 
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blessed being said:
yes this is very true in theory if we r gonna send troops equip them but this conflict was a very quick one to start if u c wot i mean. we first of all didnt exhaust all other options b4 war and we didnt equip them properly. but after our government disobeyed the first rule (other posibilities) but they needed to act quickly to prevent saddam from harming any other people it was a rushed job and i think now we are seeing the cracks!

As we still need so to act with numerous other human abusers.

The wrong body moved to deal with SH, as you say. We (UK&USA) armed and supported SH, for bloody offensive war: when others in the world were screaming that he was a monster, and to be stopped immediately.

We should have moved against SH, and to protect Iraqis: but that had to done in the right way; by developing international law, and international policing muscle.

It is the USA, who prefers the freedom in exercising its ascendant power unilaterally, who most prevents such international measures.

Intervening as we did, was always only going to make everyhting much worse, just as it has: and all informed opinion, has always made this very clear; their was very little expert opinion endorsing the coalition approach to intervention.

TB and GWB led a conviction and faith based intervention: and they have got outcome hellishly wrong.

This is a Christian debacle, from beginning to end, and all points in between.
 
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very protic and quite true but dont u thnk that in this world god has created other religions to tempt us but also created free will so those who chose evangelism or islamic fundamentlaism it is there choice and if they choose to take an extremist view they can and no-one has the right to stop them?

Religious creation is likely to be God breathed.

But in all its operational detail, religion is human construct: only the grace that surrounds such machination, is of God.

Free will, yes: and central; and as Biblically recognised.

But, faith is enough: let God judge those of other faiths.

When fanatics act to take disposal over other: then I would choose to act to prevent that; and hope for God's grace in such putative agency.

I stand in my faith. My faith is the active coalescence principle of my being. I am thereby somewhat in God: that is enough for me; I need only concern myself with that personal cleaving to God.
What do I know about another's stance with God. Certainly nothing that would see me act reductively against them: unless they seek to take dispsoal over others; for that disposal is God's.
 
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Existential1 said:
This is a Christian debacle, from beginning to end, and all points in between.
Amen. And now we don't know how to stop it. God save us....

You know, there are very compelling reasons for why we acted when we did, though, rather than waiting for the blessing of the UN and other countries. One of them is a simple practical one: back at the beginning of the war, chemical weapons were a real threat, and our chemical suits are very hot and cumbersome. You could probably be comfortable in nothing but an NBC suit and your normal uniform, in the coldest winter you've ever experienced.

Imagine donning a chemical suit in the middle of the desert, and then having to pile into a metal container (because we didn't have bunkers!) until the "All Clear" was sounded! You only prayed that you had remembered to fill your canteen, and that your drinking tube worked.....

If this war had begun in the full heat of summer, I'll wager we wouldn't have made nearly the progress we did on the road to Baghdad. "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

~~Cheryl
 
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By what measure is GWB weak? He's in command of arguable the strongest nation on Earth, and obviously isn't afraid to flex his muscles. He's not the brightest, but I wouldn't call him weak.

On a sidenote, can everybody see the little animated picture in my sig? The running Mario?
 
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yes its v amusing. he is weak in the way that he has aquired this power by having alot of money not by being clever of confident etc like other politicians. GWB does not go for the right answer he goes for the easy one (war) not the proper answer (peaceful talks) to resolve problems its not difficult to "flex your muscles" if you have arguable the most powerful army in the world it is difficult to restrain that army and encourage peace
 
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The flag is a United Nations one, I like the idea of the UN, but I'm from Australia. The head symbol indicates that I'm atheist; other people have different faith icons. The camera means I have a photo in my profile (click it). The green dots are reputation points, which are explained here:

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On the right, the heart sign allows you to give people blessings. The book sign allows you to post in people's guestbooks. The thumbs up sign allows you to add to people's reputation. The online/offline box indicates whether a user is online or offline. The other symbols that might be inbetween the thumbs-up and online/offline are links to people's instant messaging things like AOL or Yahoo or MSN messenger.

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I've gotta go catch some sleep now, peace. If you need some more help I'll be happy to explain sometime, as will most people on christian forums.
 
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