Troy

http://www.christianforums.com/t671562 The last few pages on that topic has a few opinions and reviews of it. Check that out.

Remember to look around before you make a post... especially about something as big as Troy...

KenH said:

Has anyone seen the new movie, "Troy"? If so, did you think it was worth seeing?

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Saw it Friday. Best epoch film yet! I always said "Spartacus", for the time it was made, and "Braveheart" for raising the bar on wide-screen battles, but Troy takes the cake!

Who cares if half of it is CGI? It has been refined to an art, and gives you the feel of the immense way battles were waged then.

Then's there the story itself. Follows loosely, but accurately Homer's "Illiad", but puts it in more a historic level, leaving out the "gods", which would have made it "Hulk-ic", and cartoonish. The plot twists, turns, and all characters are human, having their good and bad sides. Hard to root for anyone, as they all were caught up in a vortex of human error.

***** five stars in my book!

BEST MOVIE EVER!!!!

I thougt that this movie was awsome. Brad pitt really got into his part. I was talking to my father, and I compared him to Johnny Depp. They both really get into there parts, and I knoew brad pitt was going to die. I did just not know when. So when Orlando Bloom (Paris) shot him in his acilies tendont. Or how ever you spell it. I was about to CRY!!!! I was also mad the Hecter died. I knew he was going to die too. You know the guy from Lord of the rings played Odeseus in Troy, and the wife of hecter was in gladiator. There was a bunch of guys from Brave heart too. Well I will give it a millions thumbs up if I could. MAN THAT WAS A GOOD MOVIE! I wounder how much it made in the box office.

I loved it....I think im gonna go see it again.....awsome movie.

After seeing the movie I looked through the Iliad to see if it's as violent, and it's even more violent. Homer seems to love describing how metal can destroy the human body, or otherwise he really wishes to tell people how awful war is. The whole thing is just reeking of lust and blood.

What is really disgusting about this story is how the blame always comes down on Helen. Whether real or fictional, she's just a victim of male pride. The war is about men's property, their injured honor, and about greed. There is no woman on earth beautiful enough for whom men would kill themselves, although women would like to think that's true. In the Iliad, Paris is a pawn of Aprodites so his feelings for Helen are not genuine and mostly they are about lust not love. She's just a pretext. It's all an echo of Adam's "SHE made me do it"... And then the women of Troy get mad at her because she somehow killed their husbands. Nevermind that it was Greek warriors who did it - blame the woman, of course.

Also, why do the Greeks want to destroy Troy? I understand that they want to control it because it is the epitome of the enlightened city full of art and riches, but why destroy it? They are like barbaric ignorant people who hate anything that they cannot make or control, and so they have to break it. The whole thing is so stupid. In the end, everyone dies, or is raped, or is enslaved and what it took many generations of people hard work to build, is completely destroyed. The whole thing is so maddening it makes you want to go back in time and beat some sense into these men.

womendon'tbesilent said:

After seeing the movie I looked through the Iliad to see if it's as violent, and it's even more violent. Homer seems to love describing how metal can destroy the human body, or otherwise he really wishes to tell people how awful war is. The whole thing is just reeking of lust and blood.

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And?? It is a war movie.

What is really disgusting about this story is how the blame always comes down on Helen.

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Uh, I didn't see any blame toward Helen in the movie, it is made plain it's Paris' fault. As for the poem, "Illiad", well, duh, it's a 3,000 year old story!

Whether real or fictional, she's just a victim of male pride. The war is about men's property, their injured honor, and about greed.

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In other words, a typical story of the history of the world.

She's just a pretext.

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It's all an echo of Adam's "SHE made me do it"... And then the women of Troy get mad at her because she somehow killed their husbands. Nevermind that it was Greek warriors who did it - blame the woman, of course.

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Yes, and I think it's that irony (read: typical Greek tale=irony) which Homer wanted to point out.

Also, why do the Greeks want to destroy Troy? I understand that they want to control it because it is the epitome of the enlightened city full of art and riches, but why destroy it?

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Did you read of Agememnon's arrogance? It had nothing to do with the city's "enlightment", rather, Priam's arrogance that his walls "have never been breached."

They are like barbaric ignorant people who hate anything that they cannot make or control, and so they have to break it.

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Uh, yea, again, like the entire history of mankind.

The whole thing is so stupid. In the end, everyone dies, or is raped, or is enslaved and what it took many generations of people hard work to build, is completely destroyed. The whole thing is so maddening it makes you want to go back in time and beat some sense into these men.

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Is this your first venture into studying history???

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well, that was completely unnecessary. The guy ends his post with a quip (and that's all it was) about your knowledge of history... and you call him a moron, a misogynist, a jerk and even toss out an F-bomb.

You need to seriously chill out. When you are posting, ask yourself "What would Jesus type?"

No he didn't "just end his post with a quip'.. he totally tore my post apart and implied I am stupid and know nothing. As for what Jesus would type, I really don't care. Whatever God this man serves, I want nothing to do with him.

womendon'tbesilent said:

do you notice the IRONY of belittling my historical knowledge while making the statment: "Illiad", well, duh, it's a 3,000 year old story!"

And it's spelled ILIAD with one L .

you, typical woman-hating patronizing Christian. How dare you tear my opinion apart as if it's worthless!!!

Your favorite verse is "goodness leads you to repentance"???? You wouldn't know goodness if it hit your between the eyes. If you don't like my post about the movie, you can always disagree. But you need to make personal accusations and insults. Well I can play the same game.

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A bit sensitive, aren't we??? You claim I called you stupid (untrue), yet it's ok for you to blatently call me moron??

And I definitely don't hate women, in general. Matter of fact every guy should have one

Ah, the old "two wrongs make a right" philosophy, very erudite of you.

I did not claim you called me stupid, I said you implied it. There is a dictionary at m-w.com You will need that a great deal while you skip through the Iliad.

As for wrong making a right, at least I don't claim I serve a philosophy which I obviously don't follow.

Lastly, your second commend is lame. When you have fantasies that you are the 'great' Achilles chopping off your enemies in a righteous war for Jesus, and you're stealing fetching slave girls, do keep in mind it is a fantasy.

PatrickM- Did you ever consider for 30 seconds that Jesus was for equality for men and women? He invited women to hear him speak when at that time that was forbidden and he said that all people can be saved (not just men) which at the time was a radical statement. All I'm trying to say is to stop being so blatently rude to women

womendon'tbesilent said:

I did not claim you called me stupid, I said you implied it. There is a dictionary at m-w.com You will need that a great deal while you skip through the Iliad.

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Glad to see you've recovered nicely from your hurt pride to sufficiently do back to me what you say was wrond.

As for wrong making a right, at least I don't claim I serve a philosophy which I obviously don't follow.

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So, you serve a philosophy which does embrace two wrongs?

Lastly, your second commend is lame. When you have fantasies that you are the 'great' Achilles chopping off your enemies in a righteous war for Jesus, and you're stealing fetching slave girls, do keep in mind it is a fantasy.

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Do you have something against Jesus? Did I ever include Him in any previous post here? What does Jesus have to do with anything here in "Troy"???

c a s t i n c r o w n s said:

PatrickM- Did you ever consider for 30 seconds that Jesus was for equality for men and women? He invited women to hear him speak when at that time that was forbidden and he said that all people can be saved (not just men) which at the time was a radical statement. All I'm trying to say is to stop being so blatently rude to women

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I thought this thread was about the movie "Troy". Let's keep in mind it was a fiction movie. I have never implied the social aspects of the movie, set 3 millenia ago, had any merit, merely the movie was good, as a movie, not a philosophical statement.

womendon'tbesilent said:

No he didn't "just end his post with a quip'.. he totally tore my post apart and implied I am stupid and know nothing. As for what Jesus would type, I really don't care. Whatever God this man serves, I want nothing to do with him.

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After reading a few of your posts, I'm just curious: What did men do to you that makes you hate us so much?

InnerPhyre said:

After reading a few of your posts, I'm just curious: What did men do to you that makes you hate us so much?

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After seeing your Catholic icon, I'm just curious: What did women do to Catholic men that made them treat us like sub-human beings for the past 2000 years?

womendon'tbesilent said:

After seeing your Catholic icon, I'm just curious: What did women do to Catholic men that made them treat us like sub-human beings for the past 2000 years?

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Can't answer his question, can you. Is this another example of your "two wrongs make a right" philosophy?

But I do like your "clueless" emoticon

womendon'tbesilent said:

After seeing your Catholic icon, I'm just curious: What did women do to Catholic men that made them treat us like sub-human beings for the past 2000 years?

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Judging a certain group of people by the actions of other similar people....doesn't that define bigotry?