Is suicide wrong?

Ezekiel 18:
4 For every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as the son--both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will die.

Jeremiah 10:
23 I know, O LORD, that a man's life is not his own; it is not for man to direct his steps.

Judas commited suicide, King Saul commited suicide because he was unfaithful to God, Abimelech died because he killed his seventy brothers, Zimri murdered a King, and Ahithophel conspired with Absolom to overthrow King David:
Not to mention suicide is murder.

All of them had no faith in God.

I hope this answers youir question.

Throughout the Bible, suicide is an expression of lack of faith in God to make things right.

Even Job's wife told him that if he lacked faith, he might just as well do away with him self ("Curse God and die," she said, meaning that if he really thought God was being unjust with him, he had no hope to end his troubles but to put himself to death).

However, suicide is sometimes the temptation of people who are clinically depressed for medical reasons, not because of lack of faith in God's love. If you are feeling suicidal, you owe it to God to get a medical evaluation to see if the wish for death is mental, physical or emotional, rather than a spiritual problem.

For a long time, I was in a lot of chronic pain, which made me wish to die to escape the pain. It wasn't a faith problem, it was a medical problem. Once I got adequate treatment for the disease that was causing the pain, the wish to die went away, and so did the depression.

So would you prefer someone chronically depressed to be made artificially happy using anti-depressants, or to escape the suffering of their life by suicide?

God give us the gift of life, and didn't want us to throw it away needlessly.

>>So would you prefer someone chronically depressed to be made artificially happy using anti-depressants, or to escape the suffering of their life by suicide?<<


Boy are you living in the Dark Ages!

It isn't an artificial happiness, it's a correction of a chemical imbalance in the brain. Healthy people have more seretonin in their brains and depressed people need to take medicine to build up their levels of seretonin. And not everyone who is clinically depressed needs long-term medicine. Many do fine with counselling or by fixing the underlying medical problem that causes their depression.

I guess, imagineer, that to you, it would have been better for me to kill myself than to have taken anti-depressant drugs for six weeks and a daily pill to correct my thyroid deficiency that was causing the chronic pain? Chronic depression is treatable.

It sure was cheap and easy to fix, why would you not want me to live? Would you have denied me the last two years of my life so that I wouldn't have to be taking medicine? That seems rather selfish and cruel.

I'd rather live and take the medicine!

Someday you will grow up a bit and be less opinionated and judgemental. Then you will see how your current life attitude is destructive and mean. I hope that God does whatever it takes to soften your cold heart and lessen your ignorance.

It isn't an artificial happiness, it's a correction of a chemical imbalance in the brain.

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By humans, hence "artificial".

Many do fine with counselling or by fixing the underlying medical problem that causes their depression.

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And many dont. Thats why suicide is such an everyday occurance.

I guess, imagineer, that to you, it would have been better for me to kill myself than to have taken anti-depressant drugs for six weeks and a daily pill to correct my thyroid deficiency that was causing the chronic pain? Chronic depression is treatable.

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Its not my choice. It matters not to me if you die or live with support. Chronic depression is very rarely cured. I know someone who has tried to kill himself 3 times because of it, prozak kept him alive, but he wasnt happy on it.

It sure was cheap and easy to fix, why would you not want me to live?

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When did I say I wanted you to die?

That seems rather selfish and cruel.

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What does? Me asking whether you would prefer to die or live on support? Strange view of "selfish and cruel" youve got there.

Someday you will grow up a bit and be less opinionated and judgemental. Then you will see how your current life attitude is destructive and mean. I hope that God does whatever it takes to soften your cold heart and lessen your ignorance.

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Im sorry, am I missing something? Opinionated? When? Where? Certainly not in this thread.

Perhaps if you calm down and read my posts rather than just reading my name and arguing against me, then you wouldnt have to argue ALL THE TIME

i'm not looking to *argue* with anyone, only to question an assumption regarding language

it was said that because the medicine is made by man, that the physical state derived from the consumption of *artificial* medicine is then also *artificial*??? is that what was intended,
i beg to differ...
while the medicine might in fact be *not natural* according to websters dictionary (although it might very well be natural and hence not artificial too!), i would presume that the state of happiness, happening inside our bodies due to chemical balances like suggested would be physically natural???

Suicide is wrong and is a sin. I attempted suicide once, but failed and had been living in depression for reasons I do not know myself. I wanted to kill myself, so many, so many times since I was 15. But somehow, God stopped me all the times. Now, I am 18, and I started to realise that the best cure for suicidal thoughts and depression is love. I won't deny that medicines helped in a way. But God's love and the love of others for me, and my love in return for God and others cured me of depression. Now, I am a happier person. I am glad that I never succeed in my suicide attempt.

Suicide is no difference from murder.

Hi rpggal,

Nice to meet you too. I praise God that you did not succeded.

I too tried to kill myself many times. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol. I was at the point where I hated myself. I was tired of what I was doing but I could not stop. I just wanted to die. My last attempt was the closest that I ever came to dying and I was scared. I cried out to God to help me and not let me die. He literlaly did step in and save my life. I've never left Him since. (It's been 13 years) I was given a new life, one that I am very grateful for.

Yes suicide is sin and it is murder.

God Bless,
Roberta

>>you would prefer to die or live on support<<

It's not support any more than taking heart medicine is support. Or taking cancer medicine is support, or any other medical procedure is support. People who take antidepressents are not doped up and out of it. The medicine simply balances the natural chemicals in the brain. Period. Your brain produces the chemicals and the medicine keeps them from leaking out and being useless.

As to your question, since I started getting treatment, I have gotten engaged, planned and built three parks and one children's education center in a poor urban neighborhood, constructed five miles of bikeway and given 300 hours at the local food pantry.

Do you think my life has been worth living these last two years that I have lived "on support"? Would I and the world be better off if I had chosen to die rather than take medicine?

it all depends what your view of good and bad is.

my point was, it doesnt matter if you live or die, it doesnt matter since we will all die one day. life is cheap, we try to put a price on it, but as OBL proved on 911, it can easily be taken away.

This is a difficult subject for those who might of tried to commit suicide....... and I'm glad to say that I never have.

I have always thought that it was a sin to commit suicide, mainly because like so many Christians, I believe that God has given life and that it's God's decsion as to how long you live. Taking your own life means that you are taking a decision that is rightfully God's. Taking God's place, being the sin. I've not explained myself very well, I know, but I hope you get the drift of what I'm trying to say.

Howver, I have found from counselling that usually if someone cannot think of one other person in the world who loves them, then they are a candidate for suicide. This is because they think that their life is of no value as no one loves them or values them. Hard as it may be to say, I think that the sin is that they believe that God does not love them i.e. they have rejected the love of God.

I have found that when you have a person who is contemplating suicide, they need to see that there is a God who loves them and values their life (so much so that He gave His ONLY Son for them) and, if possible, that there are others in the world who love them, and that their life is of value.

I hasten to add that if there is someone literally on the point of suicide, the priority is to stop them. The above comments are relevant to a counselling situation and not an immediate suicide situation.

I offer this view to the forum. If there is anyone contemplating suicide, then I would just like them to know that your life is of value and I'm sure that no matter what state you are in - there is someonewho loves you - you just don't know that because they haven't told you or you ain't believing what you have been told. Above all this - there is a God who loves you and the real issue is that you haven't experienced God's love. You probably need someone to help you know His love. There is no shame in asking somone to help you with this......

Many blessings to all.......

Martin

guess no one wanted to talk *artificial* so how about *cheap* (which is barrato is spanish )
"life is cheap, we try to put a price on it, but as OBL proved on 911, it can easily be taken away."
i don't possibly see how a reference to "911" can possibly prove the *cheapness* of life... it could as easily prove the *value* inherant in life! personally, i'd have to say the price put on life was put there by the creator... and that value is *priceless*