Im answering in addition to what straightforward has posted.
jodrey said:
I second what straigtforward said. Paul would have suggested that there were 2 gods. However, He does not, but One.
In response to the Title God being used for the Father and Lord for the son, let me use a different verse to point something out:
Titus 2:13-14 ...looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the gory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed....
Christ is our blessed hope. But it also says Christ is our God and Savior. Do both terms refer to Jesus?
According to this verse, the Lord Jesus "gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed", obviously referring to Calvary. This verse is talking of Jesus, correct? If so, God and Savior is referring to Him. Paul would have used these terms to clarify that the Lord Jesus is our GreatGod and Savior.
Please note jodrey. If we assume the word 'God' in this verse - or in Corinthians - means Savior - then why would "God and Savior" be used by Paul. That would only mean he was staing "Savior and Savior" - see what I am getting at?
Now - look in the Old Testement, the following Psalm speaks of Yahweh Himself:
Psalm 130 7-8: O Isreal, hope in the Lord;
For with the Lord there is lovingkindness,
And with Him is abumndant redemption.
And He will redeem, Isreal from all his iniquities.
The word Lord in Hebrew is Jehova. So it is Jehova(God), or also known as Yahweh(God) who redeems in the Old Testement - but Christ in the New.
So then, we ask ourselves, How could this be?...Who is Jehova Yahweh? Who is God. Well, as you menationed jodrey, the Father is called God. And in here Christ is God. Not seperate gods...but God. So, in my understanding, and what I believe the Bible teaches - is that there is ONE God only - Not 3 seperate gods. Christ is called God, and Yahweh is called God. One Being ( who redeems)- 2 different persons mentioned here. The Spirit is the 3rd.
Aslo, on a side note - remember that Yahweh means "I AM WHO I AM" - Jesus also gives this title to himself in Revelation - and in John. Thus remaining God (One God), not three - yet being Jesus, a person within the ONE GOD, not a seperate being
Jesus spoke the divine name of God, punishable by death, and He also claimed that it was He who existed eternally before Abraham, the same "I AM" who had spoken to Moses as the burning bush on Mount Sinai. Obviously the Jews knew Jesus was claiming to be God, "they picked up stones to throw at Him", just as commanded in Leviticus 24:16 where is says "all the congregation shall certainly stone him."
Quite simply, Jesus claimed to be Yahweh (God).
I will continue later....have to put baby to bed and wait on a sick hubby.
God Bless
Victoria
Edited as could not reach James White for permission to quote from his book in a writen format, However, please do read "The Forgotten Trinity"
jodrey said:
"Paul proclaimed that there is but one God, the Father (1 Cor. 8:6)."
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. This is good because it separates the the functions and 'persons' of God the Father and Jesus Christ. It does not say that they are one, and it could even be said that it implies the opposite.
I second what straigtforward said. Paul would have suggested that there were 2 gods. However, He does not, but One.
In response to the Title God being used for the Father and Lord for the son, let me use a different verse to point something out:
Titus 2:13-14 ...looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the gory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed....
Christ is our blessed hope. But it also says Christ is our God and Savior. Do both terms refer to Jesus?
According to this verse, the Lord Jesus "gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed", obviously referring to Calvary. This verse is talking of Jesus, correct? If so, God and Savior is referring to Him. Paul would have used these terms to clarify that the Lord Jesus is our GreatGod and Savior.
Please note jodrey. If we assume the word 'God' in this verse - or in Corinthians - means Savior - then why would "God and Savior" be used by Paul. That would only mean he was staing "Savior and Savior" - see what I am getting at?
Now - look in the Old Testement, the following Psalm speaks of Yahweh Himself:
Psalm 130 7-8: O Isreal, hope in the Lord;
For with the Lord there is lovingkindness,
And with Him is abumndant redemption.
And He will redeem, Isreal from all his iniquities.
The word Lord in Hebrew is Jehova. So it is Jehova(God), or also known as Yahweh(God) who redeems in the Old Testement - but Christ in the New.
So then, we ask ourselves, How could this be?...Who is Jehova Yahweh? Who is God. Well, as you menationed jodrey, the Father is called God. And in here Christ is God. Not seperate gods...but God. So, in my understanding, and what I believe the Bible teaches - is that there is ONE God only - Not 3 seperate gods. Christ is called God, and Yahweh is called God. One Being ( who redeems)- 2 different persons mentioned here. The Spirit is the 3rd.
Aslo, on a side note - remember that Yahweh means "I AM WHO I AM" - Jesus also gives this title to himself in Revelation - and in John. Thus remaining God (One God), not three - yet being Jesus, a person within the ONE GOD, not a seperate being
Jesus spoke the divine name of God, punishable by death, and He also claimed that it was He who existed eternally before Abraham, the same "I AM" who had spoken to Moses as the burning bush on Mount Sinai. Obviously the Jews knew Jesus was claiming to be God, "they picked up stones to throw at Him", just as commanded in Leviticus 24:16 where is says "all the congregation shall certainly stone him."
Quite simply, Jesus claimed to be Yahweh (God).
I will continue later....have to put baby to bed and wait on a sick hubby.
God Bless
Victoria
Edited as could not reach James White for permission to quote from his book in a writen format, However, please do read "The Forgotten Trinity"
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