Causing others to sin

GraftMeIn · Apr 13, 2003

Nehemiah 13:26
Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin.

Jeremiah 32:34-35
But they set their abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it. And they built the high places of Baal, which [are] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through [the fire] unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

1 Kings 16:19
For his sins which he sinned in doing evil in the sight of the LORD, in walking in the way of Jeroboam, and in his sin which he did, to make Israel to sin.

There are many examples in the Bible of causing others to sin. Genesis 20 has another good example of this. Where Abraham told Sarah to say she was his sister for fear that others may slay him for her sake. Then Abimelech took Sarah, but was stopped by God from touching her. This is a good example of how we can unintentionaly cause others to sin.

While we only need to give account of our own sins before God. It would seem that we are also capable of causing others to sin, this is a sin in itself.

Anyone care to share some examples of how we might cause others to sin?

OracleX · Apr 13, 2003

Romans 14:1-3 "Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him."

This passage comes to mind on this topic.

Gerry · Apr 13, 2003

Lessee, hmmmm..ummmm How about by inciting them to anger? Would that be one?

GraftMeIn · Apr 13, 2003

Today at 07:47 PM Gerry said this in Post #3

Lessee, hmmmm..ummmm How about by inciting them to anger? Would that be one?

Sounds like it would be to me.

Another might be to show something off just to make another jealous or envious.

GraftMeIn · Apr 13, 2003

Today at 07:36 PM OracleX said this in Post #2

Romans 14:1-3 "Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him."

This passage comes to mind on this topic.

That one brings this one to mind lol!

1 Corinthians 8:12-13
But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

OracleX · Apr 13, 2003

LOL that is the one I was looking for actually. The Romans one is similar but couldn't find that one which more clearly states it.

GraftMeIn · Apr 13, 2003

lol! funny how one scripture can lead to another, and so on, and so on, etc... lol!

Gerry · Apr 13, 2003

Sounds like the meat thing has to do with temptation. That was my next question!

GraftMeIn · Apr 13, 2003

ohhhh like placing temptation in front of another? We are very capable of that. Especially us women when you think about the way we dress, If we dress only to draw guys attention to ourselves. Seems we hardly stop to consider what type of thoughts it might cause men to have, instead I see alot of women saying that men should just control their thoughts. But we're just as guilty as them if we dress seductivly.

Susan · Apr 15, 2003

One I try my very best not to do and I hope I don't do: Promoting something to someone who would sin because of it or be offended by it. IOW, like offering a diabetic a large slice of chocolate cake or persuading someone to come with you to do something they are genuinely convicted against.

nomad · Apr 16, 2003

13th April 2003 at 10:09 PM GraftMeIn said this in Post #7 <http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=782868>

lol! funny how one scripture can lead to another, and so on, and so on, etc... lol!

 

 

The Bible was the first internet!! LINK-LINK Like one big Web.

Trying to convince someone that something is true when you know it's not.

Lessee, hmmmm..ummmm How about by inciting them to anger? Would that be one?

Is it a good or bad anger?

Romans 14:1-3 "Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him

What if there are a few who are weak in faith and understanding are accepted but cause arguements to arise because they don't believe or understand when they are told they are wrong? Have I caused them to sin by telling them the Truth? If I tell them the Truth and they call me a liar have they not sinned? Do they not sin further by wanting to argue about it? Do they not sin by not investigating wether or not that which was said has merit? Well if I take Romans 14:1-3 and apply it then I would not be able to speak with the persons at all because they would do nothing but sin everytime I spoke. So I see I can blind someone instantly who I know will sin more when I tell them the Truth about Jesus. So should I leave that place on account of these persons who sin when I speak? Should I allow the sins of a few to rob the many whom benefit from what I say?  If it were a gathering of believers should I then sin myself by leaving the fellowship on account of the Few just to keep peace?  What would Jesus do in a situation like this?

OracleX · Apr 16, 2003

Well first of all you need to make sure which person you are in the example stated. Also how many warning signs have you seen to let you know where you stand?

Some people are not interested in teaching truth as much as they are in being hear or getting praises of man. So for them, yes the Word will be a stumbling block that will cause them to sin when it is mentioned. Romans 2 speaks very well to this, it is worth reading through a few times.

Romans 2:1-3 "Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?"

Matthew 21:42-44 "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder."

Romans 16:17-20 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil. And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen."

GraftMeIn · Apr 16, 2003

Yesterday at 04:00 AM Susan said this in Post #10

One I try my very best not to do and I hope I don't do: Promoting something to someone who would sin because of it or be offended by it. IOW, like offering a diabetic a large slice of chocolate cake or persuading someone to come with you to do something they are genuinely convicted against.

Ah yes or like breaking out the alcohol when someone who is trying to stop drinking comes over. Funny thing is we end up with bottles of the stuff given to us as gifts, they sit forever it seems without ever getting opened. (eventually they get poured down the drain even, stuff tends to go bad before anyone drinks it in our house) But when I know someone is coming over that's trying to kick the habit I tend to make sure any bottles of whatever we've been given are out of site.

GraftMeIn · Apr 16, 2003

Today at 05:34 AM OracleX said this in Post #12

Well first of all you need to make sure which person you are in the example stated. Also how many warning signs have you seen to let you know where you stand?

Some people are not interested in teaching truth as much as they are in being hear or getting praises of man. So for them, yes the Word will be a stumbling block that will cause them to sin when it is mentioned. Romans 2 speaks very well to this, it is worth reading through a few times.

Romans 2:1-3 "Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?"

Matthew 21:42-44 "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder."

Romans 16:17-20 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil. And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen."

Awesome!

For someone grounded in the truth, and who knows Gods Word it's easy to study and look into other religions so to speak, without it shaking their faith. But to set and example of doing so for a new Christian, or place those false teachings in front of them before they have yet to study Gods Word, and come to the full knowledge of Christ, only serves as a huge stumbling block to them.

GraftMeIn · Apr 16, 2003

Today at 02:22 AM nomad said this in Post #11

 

The Bible was the first internet!! LINK-LINK Like one big Web.

Trying to convince someone that something is true when you know it's not.

lol! I like the internet analogy! to convince someone that a lie is the truth yikes!!! yup clearly the work of satan himself. Funny how we learn to do just this while growing up through the traditions of men, and of the world. All done in the name of fun.

Gerry · Apr 16, 2003

LOL Yeah! Stashing the booze is always a good idea when the local wino drops in for a visit!!!

GraftMeIn · Apr 16, 2003

Today at 06:18 PM Gerry said this in Post #16

LOL Yeah! Stashing the booze is always a good idea when the local wino drops in for a visit!!!

Yes especially when that local wino is related lol! Of course maybe we could just let them drink it since it most likely is turned into vinegar from sitting so long anyway

nomad · Apr 17, 2003

What if there are a few who are weak in faith and understanding are accepted but cause arguements to arise because they don't believe or understand when they are told they are wrong? Have I caused them to sin by telling them the Truth? If I tell them the Truth and they call me a liar have they not sinned? Do they not sin further by wanting to argue about it? Do they not sin by not investigating wether or not that which was said has merit? Well if I take Romans 14:1-3 and apply it then I would not be able to speak with the persons at all because they would do nothing but sin everytime I spoke. So I see I can blind someone instantly who I know will sin more when I tell them the Truth about Jesus. So should I leave that place on account of these persons who sin when I speak? Should I allow the sins of a few to rob the many whom benefit from what I say? If it were a gathering of believers should I then sin myself by leaving the fellowship on account of the Few just to keep peace? What would Jesus do in a situation like this?

Well first of all you need to make sure which person you are in the example stated. Also how many warning signs have you seen to let you know where you stand?

Some people are not interested in teaching truth as much as they are in being hear or getting praises of man. So for them, yes the Word will be a stumbling block that will cause them to sin when it is mentioned. Romans 2 speaks very well to this, it is worth reading through a few times. 

Now here is an excellent example of doing something that may cause someone to sin.  Only those who have wisdom would be able to see through this.

If I said I was the person in my example that lacked faith and understanding I would be a big a liar.  Since my only intent is to do what is right in the Lords eyes I choose not to lie about what I know.  So I speak the truth.  If I don't know I say so.  When I look to others for their response it is for many reasons. That is where the praise of God to me comes from.  I would like to be a part of those who don't understand but I can't if I have to lie to be with them.  So those who don't understand, if they ask me to agree with them would cause me to sin unless I was wise enough to simply say that if you were blind you wouldn't be guilty but since you claim to see you remain guilty.

Thats what Jesus would do and thats what He did with the Pharisees who thought they knew so much.  They sinned against Him not the other way around.  Jesus stood His ground.  I stand with Him.  I would rather speak the truth and be rejected of men then to be rejected by Jesus.  No one claiming to speak the word of God can say with all there heart that Jesus is Lord.  I wouldn't be able to say otherwise myself or I'd be the biggest liar in the world.  So another way to attempt to cause someone to sin is make a born again believer deny that Jesus is Lord.  Well, you'd have to kill me because I never will.

OracleX · Apr 17, 2003

Now here is an excellent example of doing something that may cause someone to sin. Only those who have wisdom would be able to see through this.

So what are you saying?

I would rather speak the truth and be rejected of men then to be rejected by Jesus. No one claiming to speak the word of God can say with all there heart that Jesus is Lord.

Matthew 22:37-38 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment."

Matthew 28:19-20 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

I believe that the Bible says different. Those who love with all their heart, soul and mind will speak and teach what God has written in His Word. God commands us to do both. He commands that we loves Him with all our heart AND to teach the gospel and His Word.

Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel [Word] of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

Now those who claim to speak another word and not the Word of God, yes, those can not truly love Jesus as Lord with all their heart soul and mind. They ...
Romans 1:22-25 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, ... Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

reeann · Apr 17, 2003

sometimes nomad confuses me! LOL

i can't comment on this thread anymore I feel lost, but i KNOW Jesus is Lord

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