Southern Baptists Urges Parents to Pull Kids from Public School's

I went to a christian school for one year, got a horrible education, and lost my religon.

Captain_Jack_Sparrow said:

Amazing piece of irony sandwiched within.

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It may be ironic, but God's grace in saving me despite my circumstances does not negate biblical madate for raising children.

xMinionX said:

Public schools are secular. Therefore, they aren't going to pander to one religion or another.

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I know you don't believe Scripture, but according to God's Word, those that who do not love God in Christ are against Him. The Scriptures say that no man is righteous, that all are sinners before God. Therefore, no one person or institution on earth is neutral to God. Your presupposition of Christianity as a private opinion is not one that I hold. I believe that God is Lord of all.

Ben

Mr.Pious said:

I went to a christian school for one year, got a horrible education, and lost my religon.

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But we all know that was all your fault.

I know you don't believe Scripture, but according to God's Word, those that who do not love God in Christ are against Him. The Scriptures say that no man is righteous, that all are sinners before God. Therefore, no one person or institution on earth is neutral to God. Your presupposition of Christianity as a private opinion is not one that I hold. I believe that God is Lord of all.

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Well i guess I am against god then...

Want Jesus to run yours, and every arounds you's life? Join a cult.

Vessel Of Mercy said:

Your presupposition of Christianity as a private opinion is not one that I hold. I believe that God is Lord of all.

Ben

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I do not believe that christianity should be kept inside, and nobody should talk about it. Nor do I think it should be hidden in schools. I think teachers should be able to openly discuss religion with students, as it is a key factor in todays world, as well as in history.

We can see many problems in history with the government giving preferential treatment to a religion. For example, Catholics kicked up a fuss when state funds were being used to purchase King James Bibles for the classroom. Jewish students were made to feel foolish and humiliated when the teacher would lead the students in a Christian prayer.

In a perfect world, where we all had one single religion and we all believed in it, and it had a single interpretation, then religion in public schools would be fine. But we have a very diverse culture, and to only support one is to down all others.

I came from a public school in a very Christian area. There was a Christian mall, a Christian teen dance club, and at 6pm the different church bells would fight each other for supremacy while I walked home from school club meetings. The school was very influenced by the community, probably to a detriment to many minority and Jewish students. However, the protected Christian "I don't believe in evolution so I refuse to take this test on fossils" environment did prove damaging. A girlfriend of mine went to mass three times a week and attended youth group meeting many many times, often asking me to go with her, and praying for my soul. I accepted this kind of behavior after a while, and assumed there must be good to it. But then she turned 17, and the hormones went into overdrive. Having been in a school environment where her sheltered "sex is evil and your sex drive is evil" upbringing was reflected, things went really wrong. She didn't know how to express her feelings and urges, and in secret ended up sneaking a grown man from out of state to her home when her parents were on a weekend vacation, and things went downhill from there. The irony is, that being the outsider in this one-faith town, I was able to take from it the good things and reject the bad things. While my best friend ended up ruining her life seeking an outlet for her sexual and relationship needs, I've staunchly embraced abstience until marriage, despite currently being fianceed for two years. I've chosen not to do drugs, even though my parents were very open and actually encouraged experimentation. And I think the big difference is that I had a choice. I grew up seeing the hyper-religion way of life that came crashing down on a lot of my peers, and the totally amoral "what I want now matters most" way of living those completely rejected from the hyper-religion group had. The fact that I've become a charitable, balanced, moral person is that I was out there and I witnessed it all without pressure to conform to anything. If you hold a child too tightly, they'll cry and try to run away. But if you stand by, with arms open and an open mind, they'll come to you when they need support.

There is a local aspect to even public schools. They can differ greatly from area to area. I would not mind seeing the power of the teacher's union broken. Some competition in education could be a good thing.

if you stand by, with arms open and an open mind, they'll come to you when they need support

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Good faith.

I personally am not very comfortable with the public schools which I have had contact with. Homeschooling is one good option. It is quite a complex issue though.

I went to a catholic school and had a great education.....

Christians going to Christian schools is better than Christians trying to force their religion into public schools, IMO.

Western Deity said:

Christians going to Christian schools is better than Christians trying to force their religion into public schools, IMO.

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They're not forcing their religion into public schools. Liberals are forcing it out to an extreme degree. Bibles are thrown in the garbage. Christmas is banned except for secular carols, while menorahs and crescent moons are permitted. Islam is taught in some California public schools, regardless of whether or not the parents approve.

But then, I have no use for public schools anyway. Homeschooling is the best choice, because parents are the best teachers. And anyone who says that parents aren't qualified to teach must have learned how to use a toilet in preschool.

Existential1 said:

........................This war in Iraq has hardened me. I am convinced that much Christianity is now fundamentally dangerous..........................

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Interesting- Saddam Husssein, Al-Qaeda and islamic terrorism in general cause him to fear CHRISTIANS who take their Faith seriously.

And anyone who says that parents aren't qualified to teach must have learned how to use a toilet in preschool.

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I think it would be hard to teach someone smarter than you, but thats just me....

My step-father is much smarter than I, but he has not the time nor the will to teach me. My mom on the other hand has the time, but not the intelligence, so I would have to say while my mom did potty train me, I out smarted her by the time I hit about 10th grade...

flicka said:

Christian schools have the same problems public schools do. The bottom line is that the biggest influence on kids is their peers, NOT the teachers or administrators. Private schools, including Chiristian one, are full of kids whose parent are left with little choice after they have been booted from public schools. Plus, if you think the teenagers in you local Christian school or church youth group arn't doing what the rest of the teenagers are doing you out of touch with reality.

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I agree with you to a point but the chances of damage being done to my kids is FAR greater if they attend a public school rather than private christian school.

The teachers at the school they attend love the Lord and are in service to Him. I don't have to worry about them telling or insinuating to my kids anti Christian beliefs. If my children wish to do a book report on Noah, they won't be denied. Prayer and bible study is part of their curriculum. Public schools would have no part in that.

I'm not out of touch with reality. I'm protecting my kids the best I know how, teaching them the way they should go and my hope and prayer is when they are old, they will not depart from it. Sending them to public school would be asking them to swim up stream while everyone else is swimming down stream. Again, they are still very young and not fully equipted to defend the faith. Its a jungle out there.

Borealis said:

But then, I have no use for public schools anyway. Homeschooling is the best choice, because parents are the best teachers. And anyone who says that parents aren't qualified to teach must have learned how to use a toilet in preschool.

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Parents aren't always qualified to teach. Some are, some are not. Let me ask you, would you want a member of the KKK home schooling his child? Would you want him filling the childs head with that garbage? How about a crack mom? Do you think she's going to be able to give the child the attention he/she needs to properly develop?

And I learned how to use a toilet at home, from my parents, thank you very much.

xMinionX said:

Parents aren't always qualified to teach. Some are, some are not. Let me ask you, would you want a member of the KKK home schooling his child? Would you want him filling the childs head with that garbage? How about a crack mom? Do you think she's going to be able to give the child the attention he/she needs to properly develop?

And I learned how to use a toilet at home, from my parents, thank you very much.

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Umm, I highly doubt a "crack mom" would even want to home school her kids.
"crack moms" are too concerned about their dope to worry about anything else.
Bad analogy IMO.

As long as the home school parent is teaching the basic subjects, providing a loving home and environment and that child passes yearly states test, then I am not against anyone homeschooling - no matter what. It is a parents right to home school.

steelmagnolia said:

Umm, I highly doubt a "crack mom" would even want to home school her kids.
"crack moms" are too concerned about their dope to worry about anything else.
Bad analogy IMO.

As long as the home school parent is teaching the basic subjects, providing a loving home and environment and that child passes yearly states test, then I am not against anyone homeschooling - no matter what. It is a parents right to home school.

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Ok, fine, how about the KKK member? Would you want him homeschooling his kid? I only used the crack mom because a lot of my students go home and have to deal with that kinda thing, and we, the teachers, are their only real consistent positive influence.

It should be a parents right to home school, yes. But I feel like it can be rather dangerous for the child. He/she will be exposed to far less than they would if they went to school, and while some parents may think that is good, it's really hurting the child in the long run. Contrary to what some may believe, what you don't know can hurt you.

My advice? Teach the children at home after school. If you're spending time with your child the way you should, you should have ample time to reinforce whatever values you feel important.

"I am afraid that the schools will prove the very gates of hell, unless they diligently labour in explaining the Holy Scriptures, and engraving them on the hearts of youth. I would advise no one to send his child where the Holy Scriptures are not supreme. Every institution in which men and women are not unceasingly occupied with the Word of God must be corrupt."

Martin Luther (1483-1546)

"It is the teaching of the Bible and of sound Political ethics that the education of children belongs to the sphere of the family and is the duty of the parents. The theory that the children of the Commonwealth are the charge of the Commonwealth is a pagan one, derived from heathen Sparta and Plato's heathen republic, and connected by regular, logical sequence with legalized prostitution and the dissolution of the conjugal tie."

Robert L. Dabney, Discussions, 4:194

"If we give the bureaucrats our children, we may as well give them everything else."

J. Gresham Machen

Uh... needless to say, we homeschool. If you aren't familiar with Dabney and Machen your 'Christian' education could be greatly enhanced by checking them out. My quotes website here

Grace & Peace, Rab

Every institution in which men and women are not unceasingly occupied with the Word of God must be corrupt."

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I'm glad everything is so black and white for Martin Luther.