Prophecy question

Godschosengirl said:

How is the gift of prophecy used in every day life?

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Greetings Godschosengirl,

It is first important to understand these two verses:

1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Now also consider this verse regarding King Saul:

1 Samuel 10:10 And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them.

The "Office of Prophet" is distinct from speaking prophetically. Everyone in the Body of Christ maintains the "testimony of Jesus Christ" and thus is able to operate under the influence of the "spirit of prophecy".

Sharing the Gospel or any part of the Word of God under the unction of the Holy Spirit may be considered "prophecying".

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

Godschosengirl said:

I have a question:

How is the gift of prophecy used in every day life?

Thanks.

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While I freely admit that men today possess the gift of teaching, exhortation, and evangelism, I don't believe any possess the gift of prophecy. Since we have a completed New Testament there's no further need of additional revelation. God's purpose is to reveal Himself through the Word. In companion to the previous statement I will add that a worthy study of eschatology, one that encompasses all prediction whether fulfilled or unfulfilled, is needed so we can be approved unto God and not ashamed, rightly dividing the Word.

In Christ,
Tracey

duster1az said:

While I freely admit that men today possess the gift of teaching, exhortation, and evangelism, I don't believe any possess the gift of prophecy. Tracey

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Do you believe any possess the gift of teaching or exhortation or evangelism?
Then why not prophecy?
What is your understanding of prophecy?
Adding to the Word of God? But is that what it really is?
According to the Word, "But he that prophesies speaks to men edification, and exhortation and comfort....he that prophesies edifies the church."
Doesn't sound too awful or scary to me.
Paul encouraged the church to excel in prophecy.

Godschosengirl said:

I have a question:

How is the gift of prophecy used in every day life?

Thanks.

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There are still prophets today Godschosengirl. They prophesise in a like maner to those in the Bible.

Then why not prophecy?
What is your understanding of prophecy?

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The need for prophets in apostolic times was evident due to the tremendous doctrinal transition from what was commonly believed by the Jews to what constituted the Christian faith. The New Testament wasn't written immediately and there was great need for an authoritative source of revelation of the will of God. The gift of prophecy was possessed by some during that time and their message revealed the will of God which otherwise might have been unknown, but that need was eventually met by the written New Testament.

In Christ,
Tracey

duster1az said:

The need for prophets in apostolic times was evident due to the tremendous doctrinal transition from what was commonly believed by the Jews to what constituted the Christian faith. The New Testament wasn't written immediately and there was great need for an authoritative source of revelation of the will of God. The gift of prophecy was possessed by some during that time and their message revealed the will of God which otherwise might have been unknown, but that need was eventually met by the written New Testament.

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Well there was prophecy in the OT, in the NT, and Paul lays out instructions on prophecying, and the book of Revelations tells us that there are those who will prophesy during the Great Tribulation:

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

So show me the verses which shows prophecy has ceased??

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

The two witnesses are an exception, since Revelation told us about them. Other than the two witnesses, I would agree that prophecy ceased after the book of Revelation.

Prophecy question



I have a question:

How is the gift of prophecy used in every day life?

Thanks.

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The Spirit of Prophecy is not just about making predictions. It is understanding what prophecy means from the Bible such as Daniel and Revelation.

Hi

The only reason why prophecy has ceased is because of this.

If you believe lies and pollute the Spirit with lies you hinder the spirit. Lose the Doctrines that are lies and protect the Spirit from such lies.

Then submit your supplications (as Jesus told us to as the prophets all did) for yourself and your people(Christianity) And I GUARANTY YOU that God will explain these things to you in a very direct manner and in very short order.

Want help in doing it right just PM me and I will show you what I mean. Come on give it a try what do you got to lose. Feel the Love and Power and presence of our God when you are walking in the Spirit.

I don't know what this website teaches, but I took this same questionnaire about 10 years ago and it is the same questionnaire.

http://buildingchurch.net/g2s-i.htm

It will give you an idea about the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Greetings Ebb,

How about showing us some scripture to support your contention? IF you know Christ, then certainly the Holy Spirit will have given you the Lord's Word on this subject.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

Ernie writes:

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

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I find it interesting that Scripture classifies the two as witnesses instead of prophets. I see nothing more than a general forthtelling ministry which testifies to what has already been written? Where is the new revelation?

Ernie writes:

So show me the verses which shows prophecy has ceased??

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First, I have already addressed the prophetic ministry in the apostolic era, and I don't question God's power to perform miracles, but simply whether it's His purpose to continue the same manifestation of divine power as seen in earlier times. It's in this light that I interpret (1 Cor. 13:8), where in contrast to the abiding character of love, prophecy and special revelation (knowledge) are said to "be done away with."

With the completion of the New Testament, and its almost universal acceptance by those of God, what is the need for prophets today?

In Christ,
Tracey

Symes: Could you explain further?

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God's last day Church will follow the Bible and the Bible all the way. It says in Revelation a number of times that they will keep the commandments of God and then here in chapter 12 and verse 17 another characteristic had been added to the Church. It will have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

If we allow the Bible to interpret itself and on many occasions it will we see what the Testimony of Jesus is.

Revelation 19:10 tells us what that is.

"At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."


This just does not mean being able to tell the future but it means being able to understand prophecy and being able to tell the world what that means.

In the books of Daniel and Revelation there is much about prophecy. Having the "spirit of prophecy" then is being able to understand those books in such a way that it can them be told to others.

(Quote)In the books of Daniel and Revelation there is much about prophecy. Having the "spirit of prophecy" then is being able to understand those books in such a way that it can them be told to others.(rather, it is being able to understand Jesus, and share him with others)If we allow the Bible to interpret itself and on many occasions it will we see what the Testimony of Jesus is.(absolutely true)

Revelation 19:10 tells us what that is.

"At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."(end quote)

I have turned these around from your original quote for a purpose. This is telling us that the testimony of Jesus, what he taught, how he lived, who he was, is the spirit of prophecy. Prophecy always reveals Jesus and exalts him alone; it is his testimony to the world.

Hi

I Like that honeybee. Well said.

Peter tells us to pay close attention to prophecy.

the reason why is the AC uses a False understanding of prophecy to deceive the World that he is Jesus Returned.

The Bible is not about Jesus IT IS JESUS.

John 14:12
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
(KJV)

Now if you can convince me that Jesus did not prophecy, or couldn't then maybe I can consider you position, about it no longer needed. I have been used in the gift of prophecy, and words of prophecy, and they have happened, so when I read some post this false doctrine on these boards I know thy are posting what man has taught them because The Holy Spirit would never teach anything that would oppose what The Bible says. So I would say to you heed, and obey these Scriptures.

I Corithians 3 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Prov 3:5-8 TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL THINE HEART, LEAN NOT TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING, BE NOT WISE IN YOUR OWN EYES
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II Tim 3:16-17 ALL SCRIPTURE BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, AND PROFITABLE, THAT THE MAN OF GOD BE PERFECT

2 Pet 1:20 NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION

2 Sam 14:14 NEITHER DOTH GOD RESPECT ANY PERSON

Job 37:24 HE RESPECTETH NOT ANY THAT ARE WISE OF HEART.

Deut 6:6-9
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
(KJV)

Dad Ernie said:

Greetings Ebb,

How about showing us some scripture to support your contention? IF you know Christ, then certainly the Holy Spirit will have given you the Lord's Word on this subject.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

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21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. II Peter 2:21

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22:18-19

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:11

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24

duster1az said:

It's in this light that I interpret (1 Cor. 13:8), where in contrast to the abiding character of love, prophecy and special revelation (knowledge) are said to "be done away with."

With the completion of the New Testament, and its almost universal acceptance by those of God, what is the need for prophets today?

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Let's examine the scriptures:

1 Cor 13:8-10 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

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from 5056; TDNT - 8:67,1161; adj
AV - perfect 17, man 1, of full age 1; 19
1) brought to its end, finished
2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3) perfect
4) that which is perfect
4a) consummate human integrity and virtue
4b) of men
4b1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature

I have consistently found that one cannot base an entire doctrine upon only one verse, vs. 10, in this case.

So to support yours and many others contention that prophecy has ceased because the complete, compiled and printed Word of God has occurred and distributed, can you supply ANY other verse or verses which support this?

In contrast to that particular contention, I do find a time, mentioned in many other scriptures which tell of a day that:

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

and as this applies to "the perfect man", let us also consider:

James 1:4-5 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. 5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Would you say "robes of righteousness" upon Christians would indicate " the perfect man"?

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Now, this is speaking of a time pretty far out from the cross, and yet by 100 A.D. the whole Bible, OT and NT, was being circulated among the churches, so why wouldn't that have been mentioned somewhere in such a clear manner that even a lay person could understand it?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie