I found it to be an interesting question. WHat do you think? (scriptual answers, please)
"...Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she will bring forth a son, and thou shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins" (Matthew 1:20-21).Bulldog said:I found it to be an interesting question. WHat do you think? (scriptual answers, please)
romania_is_da_best said:Yes they can. Jesus is more than a name.
Mat 25:31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty.
Mat 25:32 And all nations shall be gathered together before him: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Mat 25:35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry and fed thee: thirsty and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 Or when did we see thee a stranger and took thee in? Or naked and covered thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison and came to thee?
Mat 25:40 And the king answering shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.
Mat 25:41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, which was prepared for the devil and his angels.
Mat 25:42 For I was hungry and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty and you gave me not to drink.
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger and you took me not in: naked and you covered me not: sick and in prison and you did not visit me.
Mat 25:44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to thee?
Mat 25:45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen: I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
What do we call the physical descendants of Abraham, particularly those who came through Isaac and Jacob, who are outside of the Church?This does away with seperation of Christians, and Jews. There are only Jew/Christians.
duster1az said:Curt writes:
What do we call the physical descendants of Abraham, particularly those who came through Isaac and Jacob, who are outside of the Church?
In Christ,
Tracey
Curt said:It's not outside the church, it's outside of Christ, they are lost unless they accept Christ. Nationality has nothing to do with who the true Jews are. We are all the same other than the country we came from.
@@Paul@@ said:Some day it will matter.
Rom 11:26-29 KJVWhy would Paul call them "enemies concerning the gospel" just after he said they will all be saved?
(26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
(27) For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
(28) As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
(29) For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
And just who does "all Israel" consist of:
Rom 9:6-8 KJV
(6) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
(7) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
(8) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Personally i think this is to be taken literally, "All Israel" will be saved, whether enemies of the gospel of not, they all ALL beloved.
There has always been a believing remnant among the Jew. In this age that Jewish remnant is included in the Church, who's position is "in Christ." I do not agree with your assertion that nationality has nothing to do with who is a true Jew. I know for certain that although I've been born from above and blessed along with faithfull Abraham I've no right to the covenants made with national Israel.Curt said:It's not outside the church, it's outside of Christ, they are lost unless they accept Christ. Nationality has nothing to do with who the true Jews are. We are all the same other than the country we came from.
Curt said:Jesus answers that question, and when He says no man that means no man.
John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
(KJV)
Yitzchak said:There is a passage in 1 corinthians 10 which says the rock which israel drank from in the wilderness was christ. this to me sets the scriptural precedent that people can partake of christ without specifically knowing it is Christ. of course they were following the one true God in faith and God took care of the details. All the old testament saints (moses and elijah on the mount of transfiguration , for example) found salvation before christ came.
I see no reason to limit this top just the timeline. Meaning those who were before Christ. but also extend it to situations which call for it in our day.