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'He lied': Trump voters are revolting at the scope of White House betrayal

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Yes, I've heard it before. It's not true. And I've yet to see anyone who makes the claim be able to actually demonstrate it.
So you finally concede that what I said exists. Most likely you want to argue that this perception among voters, including independents, centrists, and certain democrats is incorrect.

But that's irrelevant. Because people are going to vote according to what they perceive, regardless of you thinking what they perceive is incorrect.
 

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So you finally concede that what I said exists.
You got that from me saying it's not true?

Most likely you want to argue that this perception among voters, including independents, centrists, and certain democrats is incorrect.
If this perception does exist, it's contrary to reality.

But that's irrelevant. Because people are going to vote according to what they perceive, regardless of you thinking what they perceive is incorrect.
Not saying otherwise. I just asked you to substantiate your claim, and you cannot.

-- A2SG, if that's where you want to leave it, that's your call....
 
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"The "radical left democrats" is more an R talking point than a reality - except at the fringes, where each party has traditionally kept its radicals.

Now's a little different tho. The R party truly has radicalism at its dead center, the White House (and emanating from there into the majorities in congress). And not just radical, but shockingly corrupt, incompetent. and personally immoral.
 

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You got that from me saying it's not true?
No, it was "Yes, I've heard it before". But perhaps I gave you too much credit.
If this perception does exist, it's contrary to reality.
There's absolutely no reason why you should be in the dark about it. Your posts have pretty much said, "I don't know anything about it", "I'm not able to look it up", and "Explain it to me".
 

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"The "radical left democrats" is more an R talking point than a reality - except at the fringes, where each party has traditionally kept its radicals.

Now's a little different tho. The R party truly has radicalism at its dead center, the White House (and emanating from there into the majorities in congress). And not just radical, but shockingly corrupt, incompetent. and personally immoral.
I find what Bill Maher has to say about it interesting. And he's not an R. He seems to be more along the lines of exasperated that the democrat party is self destructing.
 

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I find what Bill Maher has to say about it interesting. And he's not an R. He seems to be more along the lines of exasperated that the democrat party is self destructing.
Its both real and overblown. When you look at typical D candidates they arent nearly as radical as "the discussion" would lead you to believe. But "the discussion" prefers hot stuff thats not-complicated (like economics is) and gets the blood going. And that causes damage.

To fight that the D party need discipline. But its terrible at that.
 
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Care to explain exactly how "radically liberal" any Democratic party presidential candidate has been? And please, be as specific as possible.
I think the Democrats have mistake women for people. That's probably it.
 
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No. I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain to you why many voters, including centrists and democrats, percieve that the democrat party has become radically liberal. You shouldn't get into debates on subjects that you have to ask keep asking questions about. Go educate yourself on your own time.
Yet you’ll waste you time coming up with reasons not to fully engage with our good friend’s honest inquiries?
Classic Usenet.
 
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So our option is to side with the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party which seems to be growing in popularity in blue areas? Let’s just take note of how this socialist, communist movement works out in New York or maybe just look at history.
This is a prime example of “black & white” thinking, there’s a whole gamut of grays to be had.
 
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Those grays seem to be falling behind in the PR department,
Those Grays don’t have a lot of champions. Champions tend to occur at the extremes, where much of the electorate seems to focus their limited attention, thus it looks black and white while reality is a veritable explosion of color and hues.

Politics is hard. Trying to make politics easier always results in misunderstandings.
 
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The MAHA moms who helped elect Trump are out of patience

The Make America Healthy Again coalition, made up largely of women who followed Robert F. Kennedy Jr. into the MAGA fold, has reached the end of its rope with the Trump administration.

“We thought we were getting a different administration that wanted to stand up to special interests, stand up to the pharmaceutical industry, stand up to the food companies, stand up to Big Ag, Big Chem. And that is not what we got. What we have right now is business as usual,” said Vani Hari, a leader in the MAHA movement known as Food Babe who rose to prominence through her fight against chemicals in food.

[Well, how many millions did you give him?]

But multiple White House actions supporting the pesticide industry this spring ignited a firestorm of backlash from MAHA advocates who consider pesticides a primary toxin in the food system. The frustration continued with a proposed Environmental Protection Agency rule to roll back limits on four “forever chemicals” that contaminate millions of Americans’ drinking water and are linked to health problems. Former FDA Commissioner Marty Makary’s resignation and Casey Means’ failed nomination for U.S. surgeon general deepened disappointment that true believers in the movement were being sidelined.
 
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Yet you’ll waste you time coming up with reasons not to fully engage with our good friend’s honest inquiries?
Classic Usenet.
It's my dime and mind your own beeswax.
 
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The MAHA moms who helped elect Trump are out of patience

The Make America Healthy Again coalition, made up largely of women who followed Robert F. Kennedy Jr. into the MAGA fold, has reached the end of its rope with the Trump administration.

“We thought we were getting a different administration that wanted to stand up to special interests, stand up to the pharmaceutical industry, stand up to the food companies, stand up to Big Ag, Big Chem. And that is not what we got. What we have right now is business as usual,” said Vani Hari, a leader in the MAHA movement known as Food Babe who rose to prominence through her fight against chemicals in food.

[Well, how many millions did you give him?]

But multiple White House actions supporting the pesticide industry this spring ignited a firestorm of backlash from MAHA advocates who consider pesticides a primary toxin in the food system. The frustration continued with a proposed Environmental Protection Agency rule to roll back limits on four “forever chemicals” that contaminate millions of Americans’ drinking water and are linked to health problems. Former FDA Commissioner Marty Makary’s resignation and Casey Means’ failed nomination for U.S. surgeon general deepened disappointment that true believers in the movement were being sidelined.
Shana, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash!
 
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No, it was "Yes, I've heard it before". But perhaps I gave you too much credit.
Yes, I have heard the claim that the Democratic party is "radically liberal" before. It's unsubstantiated, unsupported, and untrue. It's an intentional mischaracterization by some on the right, and it has no basis in reality.

Anyone buying into it is buying into propaganda and lies.

There's absolutely no reason why you should be in the dark about it. Your posts have pretty much said, "I don't know anything about it", "I'm not able to look it up", and "Explain it to me".
None of which I've said. Please stop attributing quotes to me I never said.

You made the claim. I asked you to back it up. You haven't, which indicates to me you can't. And the reason is clear: it's false. It's an intentional mischaracterization and blatant propaganda.

As a liberal, I wish it were true. But it ain't.

And those who claim it is true are either lying, or simply don't have a clue what liberalism actually is or what those of us who are liberal stand for. And I fully believe that is intentional.

-- A2SG, so knock it off already.....
 
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Its both real and overblown. When you look at typical D candidates they arent nearly as radical as "the discussion" would lead you to believe. But "the discussion" prefers hot stuff thats not-complicated (like economics is) and gets the blood going. And that causes damage.

To fight that the D party need discipline. But its terrible at that.
The party does have a tendency to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, that's for sure.

-- A2SG, ol' Will Rogers called it.....
 
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Yes, I have heard the claim that the Democratic party is "radically liberal" before. It's unsubstantiated, unsupported, and untrue. It's an intentional mischaracterization by some on the right, and it has no basis in reality.

Anyone buying into it is buying into propaganda and lies.
In your opinion. But many people have that perception of the democrat party nonetheless. The point being that it's not just the republican party that's experiencing dissatisfaction.
None of which I've said. Please stop attributing quotes to me I never said.
It's called paraphrasing. I used quote marks to avoid you doing the switcheroo which I've experienced before from you.
You made the claim. I asked you to back it up. You haven't, which indicates to me you can't. And the reason is clear: it's false. It's an intentional mischaracterization and blatant propaganda.
All I did was state its existence and its influence. Do you deny that there are centrists, independents, and even democrats who perceive that the democrat party has become radically liberal? And that this perception probably influences how they vote or influences them to not vote at all?
As a liberal, I wish it were true. But it ain't.
Can you accept that there are centrists, independents and democrats who perceive it as being true?
And those who claim it is true are either lying, or simply don't have a clue what liberalism actually is or what those of us who are liberal stand for. And I fully believe that is intentional.
Thank you for sharing your personal beliefs.
 
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In your opinion. But many people have that perception of the democrat party nonetheless.
It's still false. And the fact that you haven't been able to show otherwise just proves it.

The point being that it's not just the republican party that's experiencing dissatisfaction.
Of course. As Will Rogers can attest, that's long been an issue among Democrats. It's a party of oftentimes wildly different ideas, some at odds with each other, and has never been of one mind, much less a radically liberal one.

It's called paraphrasing. I used quote marks to avoid you doing the switcheroo which I've experienced before from you before.
What are you talking about? Are you trying to accuse me of something?

All I did was state its existence and its influence. Do you deny that there are centrists, independents, and even democrats who perceive that the democrat party has become radically liberal? And that this perception probably influences how they vote or influences them to not vote at all?
I suppose it's possible some hold this misapprehension, but it remains false, no matter who believes the lie.

Unfortunately, especially in today's political landscape, lies are the commodity some regularly transact with.

Can you accept that there are centrists, independents and democrats who perceive it as being true?
Who are these people? What have they said? What are they basing this perception on? I need more information, otherwise I'm simply taking your word for it.

Thank you for sharing your personal beliefs.
You're very welcome. Any time.

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It's still false. And the fact that you haven't been able to show otherwise just proves it.
I never said it was true or false, I only said it exists. Whereas you adamantly claim that it's false. Therefore since you're the one making the claim that it's false, it's up to you to prove that your claim is accurate. And since I never said your claim is wrong, I don't have to provide proof along those lines.
Of course. As Will Rogers can attest, that's long been an issue among Democrats. It's a party of oftentimes wildly different ideas, some at odds with each other, and has never been of one mind, much less a radically liberal one.
Will Rogers died 90 years ago. His assessment of the democrat party is what it was like a century ago.
What are you talking about? Are you trying to accuse me of something?
I've pointed out a few times that thought this exchange you've unwittingly conveyed that you don't anything about the subject, that you can't look up information about it to get answers, and that you need me to teach you about it.
I suppose it's possible some hold this misapprehension, but it remains false, no matter who believes the lie.
You demand proof for claims that were not made by me, and fail to provide proof for claims that are being made by you.
Unfortunately, especially in today's political landscape, lies are the commodity some regularly transact with.


Who are these people? What have they said? What are they basing this perception on? I need more information, otherwise I'm simply taking your word for it.
Well since you've said you know about and you have claimed that they're lying, you should already know the answers to those questions.

I think you've been playing a derailing game of cat and mouse with me, which I've experienced before. So I'm not going to reply to your posts in the future.
 
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