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'He lied': Trump voters are revolting at the scope of White House betrayal

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Well, good at riling up his base anyway. Regardless, these days, elections are little more than popularity contests anyway, so it's not about how "good" a candidate is, however you define that term, it's whichever one gets the most votes.
Yes, exactly. It comes down to who is the stronger candidate. Unless maybe that's rendered moot due to one side not bothering to vote.

And as far as Republican voters being in revolt, dissatisfied, disillusioned, apathetic. Perhaps the same can be said of Democrat voters as well, regarding how radically liberal that party has become or at least is perceived as such.
 

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Yes, exactly. It comes down to who is the stronger candidate.
"Stronger," in this case, meaning more popular (unless the electoral college has other ideas, of course).

Unless maybe that's rendered moot due to one side not bothering to vote.
That does cut down on one's popularity, doesn't it?

And as far as Republican voters being in revolt, dissatisfied, disillusioned, apathetic. Perhaps the same can be said of Democrat voters as well, regarding how radically liberal that party has become
Hmm...you seem to think the Democratic party has become "radically liberal," and yet, not one single candidate they've chosen has actually been radically liberal. Curious, isn't it?

or at least is perceived as such.
And there's the rub. Seems to me, the further right you go, the further left you think the other party has gone.

-- A2SG, can't be too far to the left if they're using the Heritage Foundation to get their health care reform ideas.....
 
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"Stronger," in this case, meaning more popular (unless the electoral college has other ideas, of course).
That goes without saying.
That does cut down on one's popularity, doesn't it?
It's pretty hard for anyone to be popular among the apathetic.
Hmm...you seem to think the Democratic party has become "radically liberal," and yet, not one single candidate they've chosen has actually been radically liberal. Curious, isn't it?
That hardly seems the case unless one views radically liberal from an extremely radical perspective.
And there's the rub. Seems to me, the further right you go, the further left you think the other party has gone.
It's a matter of evaluating the overall perception of most voters across the political spectrum. For many it comes down to choosing the one they perceive as the lesser of two evils.
 

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That goes without saying.
Well, those two words don't usually mean the same thing.

It's pretty hard for anyone to be popular among the apathetic.
Even harder when one used to be popular among those who are now apathetic.

That hardly seems the case unless one views radically liberal from an extremely radical perspective.
Care to explain exactly how "radically liberal" any Democratic party presidential candidate has been? And please, be as specific as possible.

It's a matter of evaluating the overall perception of most voters across the political spectrum.
I'm curious, what are the specific criteria used in that evaluation, may I ask? For example: who was asked, what were they asked, and what were the specific responses?

-- A2SG, or is this being evaluated on "vibes"?
 
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Well, those two words don't usually mean the same thing.


Even harder when one used to be popular among those who are now apathetic.


Care to explain exactly how "radically liberal" any Democratic party presidential candidate has been? And please, be as specific as possible.
It's a matter of keeping tabs on what the overall voter public has to say about it.
I'm curious, what are the specific criteria used in that evaluation, may I ask? For example: who was asked, what were they asked, and what were the specific responses?
It's a matter of weighing out overall feedback.
 
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He won two-out-of-three, all the times he’s “allowed” to win.
The way he took down his competitors in the primaries is what established him as being good at campaigning.
 
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It's a matter of keeping tabs on what the overall voter public has to say about it.
That doesn't explain how any Democratic president candidate has been "radically liberal" in any way. Care to try again? And this time, try to be specific.

It's a matter of weighing out overall feedback.
It never ceases to amaze me, no matter how often I ask for specifics, all I seem to get are vague non-responses.

Specifically, what specific feedback gave specific weight to the conclusion that any Democratic presidential candidate was "radically liberal"? Specifically.

-- A2SG, vague response coming in three, two....
 
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That doesn't explain how any Democratic president candidate has been "radically liberal" in any way. Care to try again? And this time, try to be specific.
What matters is what the voter public considers to be radical or overly liberal.
It never ceases to amaze me, no matter how often I ask for specifics, all I seem to get are vague non-responses.

Specifically, what specific feedback gave specific weight to the conclusion that any Democratic presidential candidate was "radically liberal"? Specifically.
We operate differently. I want to view the entire 100%. Whereas you want to boil it down to 1%. Being narrow minded makes a broad evaluation seem fuzzy.
 
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What matters is what the voter public considers to be radical or overly liberal.
Ah. So, specifically, how do you know the voting public considers democratic candidates to be "radically liberal"? Specifically, how was that determined?

I can say, with certainty, that they haven't elected anyone radically liberal, so that can't be it.

We operate differently. I want to view the entire 100%. Whereas you want to boil it down to 1%. Being narrow minded makes a broad evaluation seem fuzzy.
I never mentioned percentages. I asked for specific criteria used to make a specific determination. I've seen none.

-- A2SG, but feel free to provide such at any time.....
 
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Ah. So, specifically, how do you know the voting public considers democratic candidates to be "radically liberal"? Specifically, how was that determined?

I can say, with certainty, that they haven't elected anyone radically liberal, so that can't be it.


I never mentioned percentages. I asked for specific criteria used to make a specific determination. I've seen none.
You have to already know all of the particulars in order to discuss the matter in-depth with me. Otherwise it becomes a protracted session of me trying to bring you up to speed.
 

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You have to already know all of the particulars in order to discuss the matter in-depth with me. Otherwise it becomes a protracted session of me trying to bring you up to speed.
You haven't provided one single particular to discuss. You made some claims, such as that the Democratic party is "radically liberal," but have provided nothing whatsoever, in any form, to demonstrate that. Certainly, the Democratic party hasn't nominated a single candidate who is "radically liberal" in any way.

So, what particulars do you have?

-- A2SG, seems to me, all you have are vague assumptions, not any particular, demonstrable facts.....
 
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You haven't provided one single particular to discuss. You made some claims, such as that the Democratic party is "radically liberal," but have provided nothing whatsoever, in any form, to demonstrate that. Certainly, the Democratic party hasn't nominated a single candidate who is "radically liberal" in any way.

So, what particulars do you have?
So you want me to squander my time trying to teach you why many voters, including a lot of democrats, perceive that the democrat party has become radically liberal.
 

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So you want me to squander my time trying to teach you why many voters, including a lot of democrats, perceive that the democrat party has become radically liberal.
Yes, because there's no reason based in reality for that. Far as I can tell, the only reason some see it that way is because the right has moved so far to the right, it makes the left seem further away than it really is.

For example: the most significant piece of legislation passed by the Democratic party recently was Obamacare. A market-based, conservative health care plan devised by the Heritage Foundation. A liberal solution to health care reform, and not even a radical one, would be single payer, but that idea wasn't even on the table.

Not one single candidate for president nominated by the Democratic party in any recent election can in any way be called liberal, let alone radically liberal. The most liberal candidate in any recent election was Bernie Sanders (not a Democrat, by the way), and no one can say he had the support of the Democratic Party.

On the other hand, the right has moved so far to the right that authoritarianism has become the norm.

So, please tell me, in what specific way has the Democratic party become "radically liberal"?

-- A2SG, cuz, as a liberal myself, I just don't see it.....
 
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Yes, because there's no reason based in reality for that. Far as I can tell, the only reason some see it that way is because the right has moved so far to the right, it makes the left seem further away than it really is.

For example: the most significant piece of legislation passed by the Democratic party recently was Obamacare. A market-based, conservative health care plan devised by the Heritage Foundation. A liberal solution to health care reform, and not even a radical one, would be single payer, but that idea wasn't even on the table.

Not one single candidate for president nominated by the Democratic party in any recent election can in any way be called liberal, let alone radically liberal. The most liberal candidate in any recent election was Bernie Sanders (not a Democrat, by the way), and no one can say he had the support of the Democratic Party.

On the other hand, the right has moved so far to the right that authoritarianism has become the norm.

So, please tell me, in what specific way has the Democratic party become "radically liberal"?
No. I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain to you why many voters, including centrists and democrats, percieve that the democrat party has become radically liberal. You shouldn't get into debates on subjects that you have to ask keep asking questions about. Go educate yourself on your own time.
 

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It sounds like there's hope democrats will win the mid-terms over something like that, rather than democrats winning because they have good candidates.
Eh, elections can come down to who's name appears first on the ballot. All those campaign signs? Note how many show up just before elections on roads going to polling places. That's where voters can say "Hey, I've heard that name before" and vote for that candidate. Typically, the party that's not in the White House does better in mid-terms, so the surprising thing will be if the GOP does well. That's one of the things that was behind talk of that "Red Wave" that never was during the last mid-terms.
 

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No. I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain to you why many voters, including centrists and democrats, percieve that the democrat party has become radically liberal.
Meaning you can't. I get it.

You shouldn't get into debates on subjects that you have to ask keep asking questions about. Go educate yourself on your own time.
Hey, you made the claim. I'm just expecting you to back it up.

-- A2SG, probably was expecting too much....
 
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It's a claim you should already be familiar with.
Yes, I've heard it before. It's not true. And I've yet to see anyone who makes the claim be able to actually demonstrate it.

-- A2SG, some at least try to, though.....
 
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True enough, there’s always disaffected voters.
The difference, (I’d posit), is that Trump voters tend to be a bit more loyal despite his various shenanigans, so that airing their displeasure at his performance seems “louder”.
So our option is to side with the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party which seems to be growing in popularity in blue areas? Let’s just take note of how this socialist, communist movement works out in New York or maybe just look at history.