Trump Signs Order Seeking Federal Control of Mail Voting as He Promotes False Claims

When Trump asked Georgia's elections commissioner to find him 12,000 votes was he interested in legitimacy?

Fantine said:

When Trump asked Georgia's elections commissioner to find him 12,000 votes was he interested in legitimacy?

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Trumps order seeking legitimate elections shows he is.

He has gone to extreme lengths to get elected, and, had he not appointed indebted judges he wouod have faced indictments all over the country. In Arizona, they called him an unindicted co-conspirator.
He sees the polls. He knows he's on the ropes and that he's only survived in office till now because he's surrounded himself with yes men.

Postvieww said:

Trumps order seeking legitimate elections shows he is.

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He’s not looking for legitimate elections, only elections that favor him. Going after mail in ballots, specifically, primarily affects the voting systems of democratic majority states. Coincidence? And it all need s to be done before midterms. No attempt to manipulate the elections right?

I tend to look at the history of elections and how one party gets in and has a run and when they start to cause problems economically, socially and through law and order they tend to lose and the other party gets the chance to have a go and change things.

It usually works out that each party sort of has equal amounts of time in office as rarely is there such great results that cause people to keep voting the same party in for very long. That is the nature of how politics works.

But even more so in modern times where it seems the parties are much more polarized and people can see the obvious differences. That people still vote for the same party that actually causes problems is ideological and not reality or good for the region, State or nation.

But what I am seeing in the recent elections and especially the California elections is that the current administrations have gained a hold on power regardless of what they do. It is glaringly obvious that the administration has failed. Massive homelessness, crime, drugs and mental illness everywhere. Massive amounts of money unaccounted for.

If its anything like other Dem cities with fraud, then this is a big problem that is just being ignored and covered up with welfare fraud. That is not a good look or gives confidence that the same leaders are also not corrupt in other ways.

California is now being exposed to massive fraud like other Dem regions. This is a massive red flag.

It seems the same thing is happening with voting. Why would anyone think that delaying counts for over a month is a good thing. All these mails in votes changing outcomes. Something fishy is going on here.

If these cities and States are committing massive fraud and the whole system is fraudulent then this casts daubts over the integrity of the whole system. If there is corruption, then those in power have good reason to stay in power.

It seems when they do lose power, we find massive fraud and corruption going on. What are they hiding.

But most of all these cities have become no go zones of filth, crime, drugs and homelessness throughout public parks and streets. Billions of dollars not making a difference and being lost in the system.

Why would anyone want to vote for more years of this? It's not as if those in power are making any difference. They are making it worse and yet still win the vote.

That doesn't make sense and smells fishy to me.

comana said:

Going after mail in ballots, specifically, primarily affects the voting systems of democratic majority states.

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Do you mean the fraudulent voting systems of democratic majority states? That is what is happening with mail in ballots! Just look at California it is happening right In front of our eyes. Why is it democrat majority states feel the need for mail in ballots if not to cheat?

Postvieww said:

Do you mean the fraudulent voting systems of democratic majority states? That is what is happening with mail in ballots! Just look at California it is happening right In front of our eyes. Why is it democrat majority states feel the need for mail in ballots if not to cheat?

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Whatever Trump says is true right?

comana said:

Whatever Trump says is true right?

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When it comes to keeping elections legitimate you better believe him. If not you soon will when we get this mess cleaned up.

Postvieww said:

When it comes to keeping elections legitimate you better believe him. If not you soon will when we get this mess cleaned up.

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What mess? The fact that CA Republicans lost in a majority Democrat state? The only mess I see is Trump and his followers crying fraud every time an election doesn’t go their way.

comana said:

What mess? The fact that CA Republicans lost in a majority Democrat state? The only mess I see is Trump and his followers crying fraud every time an election doesn’t go their way.

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Along those lines...

DOJ debunks social media claim of discrepancy in LA mayor vote count while Trump sows doubt in California’s elections​

On Friday, however, First Assistant US Attorney Bill Essayli — a Trump appointee who leads the Los Angeles-based US attorney’s office — addressed the conspiracy theory.

“There was a claim circulating on social media about an election night ballot update at the Los Angeles Registrar of Voters where one candidate received zero votes,” Essayli wrote. “We reviewed official county records. The claim is false. Each candidate received votes in every update.”

The conspiracy theory around the mayor’s race comes as Trump has claimed repeatedly without evidence, that the slow pace of the count from Tuesday’s primary was a sign of Democratic “cheating.” The Justice Department then sent one of its attorneys to observe ballot processing in Los Angeles, the county’s election office told CNN.

stevevw said:

I tend to look at the history of elections and how one party gets in and has a run and when they start to cause problems economically, socially and through law and order they tend to lose and the other party gets the chance to have a go and change things.

It usually works out that each party sort of has equal amounts of time in office as rarely is there such great results that cause people to keep voting the same party in for very long. That is the nature of how politics works.

But even more so in modern times where it seems the parties are much more polarized and people can see the obvious differences. That people still vote for the same party that actually causes problems is ideological and not reality or good for the region, State or nation.

But what I am seeing in the recent elections and especially the California elections is that the current administrations have gained a hold on power regardless of what they do. It is glaringly obvious that the administration has failed. Massive homelessness, crime, drugs and mental illness everywhere. Massive amounts of money unaccounted for.

If its anything like other Dem cities with fraud, then this is a big problem that is just being ignored and covered up with welfare fraud. That is not a good look or gives confidence that the same leaders are also not corrupt in other ways.

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Have you, perhaps, considered that your view of the situation in California might be a teensy bit distorted, given that you live in (checks notes) Brisbane, Australia? Have you been to California recently? Have you ever been to California?

stevevw said:

It seems the same thing is happening with voting. Why would anyone think that delaying counts for over a month is a good thing. All these mails in votes changing outcomes. Something fishy is going on here.

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California's primary election was 6 days ago. I'm not sure where you're getting that they've delayed results for a month.

stevevw said:

I tend to look at the history of elections and how one party gets in and has a run and when they start to cause problems economically, socially and through law and order they tend to lose and the other party gets the chance to have a go and change things.

It usually works out that each party sort of has equal amounts of time in office as rarely is there such great results that cause people to keep voting the same party in for very long. That is the nature of how politics works.

But even more so in modern times where it seems the parties are much more polarized and people can see the obvious differences. That people still vote for the same party that actually causes problems is ideological and not reality or good for the region, State or nation.

But what I am seeing in the recent elections and especially the California elections is that the current administrations have gained a hold on power regardless of what they do. It is glaringly obvious that the administration has failed. Massive homelessness, crime, drugs and mental illness everywhere. Massive amounts of money unaccounted for.

If its anything like other Dem cities with fraud, then this is a big problem that is just being ignored and covered up with welfare fraud. That is not a good look or gives confidence that the same leaders are also not corrupt in other ways.

California is now being exposed to massive fraud like other Dem regions. This is a massive red flag.

It seems the same thing is happening with voting. Why would anyone think that delaying counts for over a month is a good thing. All these mails in votes changing outcomes. Something fishy is going on here.

If these cities and States are committing massive fraud and the whole system is fraudulent then this casts daubts over the integrity of the whole system. If there is corruption, then those in power have good reason to stay in power.

It seems when they do lose power, we find massive fraud and corruption going on. What are they hiding.

But most of all these cities have become no go zones of filth, crime, drugs and homelessness throughout public parks and streets. Billions of dollars not making a difference and being lost in the system.

Why would anyone want to vote for more years of this? It's not as if those in power are making any difference. They are making it worse and yet still win the vote.

That doesn't make sense and smells fishy to me.

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I am so busy trying to figure out why anyone would have voted for Trump once, twice or even three times.
But I do have an answer to your question about fraud in the democratic cities. It's easy. Trump is weaponizing his agencies to go after democratic cities. He is subjecting them to ten times the scrutiny that he gives red cities. Truth be told, his own administration would not hold up to even cursory scrutiny as far as dishonesty goes.
So I don't worry about propaganda and lies about blue cities. There's too much to worry about on the federal level.

Postvieww said:

Do you mean the fraudulent voting systems of democratic majority states? That is what is happening with mail in ballots! Just look at California it is happening right In front of our eyes. Why is it democrat majority states feel the need for mail in ballots if not to cheat?

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How does this “cheating” occur with mail-in ballots?

stevevw said:

I tend to look at the history of elections and how one party gets in and has a run and when they start to cause problems economically, socially and through law and order they tend to lose and the other party gets the chance to have a go and change things.

It usually works out that each party sort of has equal amounts of time in office as rarely is there such great results that cause people to keep voting the same party in for very long. That is the nature of how politics works.

But even more so in modern times where it seems the parties are much more polarized and people can see the obvious differences. That people still vote for the same party that actually causes problems is ideological and not reality or good for the region, State or nation.

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Maybe instead of using generalized invectives and passing them off as "analysis" you could get a clue about what you are talking about.

stevevw said:

But what I am seeing in the recent elections and especially the California elections is that the current administrations have gained a hold on power regardless of what they do. It is glaringly obvious that the administration has failed. Massive homelessness, crime, drugs and mental illness everywhere. Massive amounts of money unaccounted for.

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"current administrations"? You are going to have to be more specific. This is like using pronouns without stating a proper noun or name first.

stevevw said:

If its anything like other Dem cities with fraud, then this is a big problem that is just being ignored and covered up with welfare fraud. That is not a good look or gives confidence that the same leaders are also not corrupt in other ways.

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There is no evidence of widespread welfare fraud, nor even if there was would it have anything to do with election administration.

stevevw said:

California is now being exposed to massive fraud like other Dem regions. This is a massive red flag.

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Claim made without evidence. (Oh look, you are about to get to elections, the subject of the thread)

stevevw said:

It seems the same thing is happening with voting. Why would anyone think that delaying counts for over a month is a good thing. All these mails in votes changing outcomes. Something fishy is going on here.

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As has already been pointed out to you. The election was last Tuesday. It hasn't been a month, it hasn't been a week, it is less than 6 days since the polls closed. (Since you live in another reality, or timezone, when polls closed in California it was Wednesday morning on June 3 in your prison colony.)

California has mail and drop box voting for every one (plus the option for in-person voting). Mail votes are certified as on time by post marks with several days allotted for them to arrive after postmarking. Additionally, and probably more importnatly, most (all) of California uses "central counting facitilities". LA County is the largest election operating entity in North America. All of this means it takes a week or more to count all ballots. (Central counting has issues in terms of speed, which I can illustrate for you if you are interested.)

Who turns in ballots when and by which method should, at most, have some sort of socioeconomic echo to it as their lifestyles have different impacts on when they can vote, but mail-in voting itself has become partisan with GOP supporters deriding it as "fraud" (as you have in this post). Additionally there is a specific reason why Democratic leaning voters in the whole state put off deciding until late and therefore turned in very large numbers of "drop box" ballots: the crowded field for governor. GOP voters had largely converged on one candidate and put most of their votes into getting him on the November ballot. (California has an awful top-2, all-party primary where two members of the same party can be the only candidates on the November ballot as will be the case for at least 2 US HoR seats for the Dems and 1 for the GOP.) There were more Dem candidates and the field had been thrown into disarray when one of the leaders in the polls was outed as a sex pest a couple months ago. Dem voters clearly put off making decisions so they could vote strategically and pick the most viable alternative to their favored candidate if they were polling low. This meant a lot of ballots were cast in the "late count" group and were more llkely to be from left-leaning voters.

stevevw said:

If these cities and States are committing massive fraud and the whole system is fraudulent then this casts daubts over the integrity of the whole system. If there is corruption, then those in power have good reason to stay in power.

It seems when they do lose power, we find massive fraud and corruption going on. What are they hiding.

But most of all these cities have become no go zones of filth, crime, drugs and homelessness throughout public parks and streets. Billions of dollars not making a difference and being lost in the system.

Why would anyone want to vote for more years of this? It's not as if those in power are making any difference. They are making it worse and yet still win the vote.

That doesn't make sense and smells fishy to me.

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None of this has anything to do with anything even if it were true.

Pommer said:

How does this “cheating” occur with mail-in ballots?

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Is this a serious question?

Postvieww said:

Is this a serious question?

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It should be easy enough to answer. Cheating would require intentional interference of the ballots ( specifically mail in ballots) to get a predetermined result. Where has this been a problem and swung an election? How was it done?

Postvieww said:

No one is trying to prevent ANY LEGITIMATE voter from voting.

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That's the whole point of this.

Postvieww said:

Do you mean the fraudulent voting systems of democratic majority states? That is what is happening with mail in ballots!

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Maybe you could give examples instead of vague claims?

Postvieww said:

Just look at California it is happening right In front of our eyes.

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What's happening?

Postvieww said:

Why is it democrat majority states feel the need for mail in ballots if not to cheat?

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Because Republicans are making it harder to get to the polls by closing locations. And not everyone is capable of driving long distances and standing for hours.

Postvieww said:

When it comes to keeping elections legitimate you better believe him.

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He's the guy who did the cheating.

Postvieww said:

If not you soon will when we get this mess cleaned up.

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There is no mess, except what Trump created.