Question for rapture people

JulieB67 said:

Revelation 19:7 "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready."

Revelation 19:8 "And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."

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He doesn't think that all believers are part of the bride of Christ, so he is not going to be convinced by this passage that all believers put on white garments. He thinks only martyrs and a few other exceptions like those from the church in Sardis mentioned in Revelation 3:4 are in the bride of Christ and put on white garments. I showed him how in Revelation 3:5 that Jesus said: "He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments" and then I quoted 1 John 5:1-6 to show that all who are born of God and believe in Jesus overcome, which means that all believers overcome and therefore all believers "shall be clothed in white garments". But, he still didn't get it and acted like I didn't back up what I was saying about all believers being given white garments even though I clearly did back that up with scripture.

JulieB67 said:

Technically, only 10,000 are from the tribe of Judah. We can't fit one tribe into all of them.
Afterwards we see that a number that no one can count from all nations and and kindreds dressed in white robes.

Revelation 7:9 "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

The 144,000 have already been numbered so this is multitude that can't be numbered in white robes is different.

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I believe that the description of the 144,000 is symbolic and the great multitude that no one can number are those who the 144,000 symbolically represent. One thing that needs to be taken into consideration regarding the 144,000 is that the twelve tribes listed in Revelation 7 do not match the twelve tribes of Israel that are found listed in the Old Testament. I believe that's a clue that the text related to the 144,000 should not be taken literally.

In Revelation 7, the twelve tribes do not include the tribe of Dan, but the tribe of Dan is included in the Old Testament list of tribes. This is likely because the people of the tribe of Dan were known to be rebellious and idolatrous and the 12 tribes in Revelation 7 are meant to only represent believers.

The tribe of Ephraim is also not listed in Revelation 7 like it is in the Old Testament and the reason is probably similar to the reason the tribe of Dan is not listed. Instead of the tribes of Dan and Ephraim, we see the tribe of Ephraim's father Joseph and the tribe of his brother Manasseh listed instead.

So, in order to claim that the 144,000 are meant to be taken literally rather than symbolically, you need to be able to explain why the tribes of Dan and Ephraim are not included in the list of tribes given in Revelation 7 despite their inclusion in the list of tribes in the Old Testament.

JulieB67 said:

Revelation 7:9 "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

The 144,000 have already been numbered so this is multitude that can't be numbered in white robes is different.

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In Revelation 7, John is having a vision and he is told the number of this very large group of people. Then he sees them and I know if I saw 144,000 people praising God, I would feel as though I could not count them either. It is the same multitude as those who are in white.

1Tonne said:

This is what I mean. You get wound up too fast and so I feel like I have to tip toe around you.

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You said I don't back up my statements and what I said was "pretty weak" even though I clearly did back up my statements with scripture. So, I don't appreciate your false accusations. But, it's okay for you to say rude things like you did, but you just can't handle it if I say something you don't like. I see how it is. You just are in over your head here. You are so easily offended. I'm the one who has to tip toe around you because of how oversensitive you are.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said:

Preface: I'm of the mind that there is no rapture. But I was wondering for those who believe in one, can you provide Old Testament proof that God or anyone else spoke of it? In Amos, it's said that God doesn't do anything except He reveal it to the prophets first. A

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Like someone earlier explained, much of the Church Age, including the rapture, is hidden throughout the OT in types and shadows. Such as the marriage of Esther to the King of Kings, which is itself a rapture story: the virgin bride being taken up to the King and the King's house.

The End Time rapture scenario is portrayed in great detail in the events that occurred when YHWH descended in quake and fire and shofar upon Mount Sinai, and called up the elect of Israel into His Presence. Explained in detail here:

WilliamLhk said:

Like someone earlier explained, much of the Church Age, including the rapture, is hidden throughout the OT in types and shadows. Such as the marriage of Esther to the King of Kings, which is itself a rapture story: the virgin bride being taken up to the King and the King's house.

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This kind of wishful thinking is a serious mis-application of scripture.
The truth is we Christians have the Lords works to do here and going to heaven is not possible for us.

There is coming dramatic things, as the Lord sends His punishment of the Sixth Seal. We are told to get into shelter, Isaiah 26:20-21, and how we must endure until the end.

keras said:

going to heaven is not possible for us.

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Speaking for yourself, anyway.

2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

WilliamLhk said:

Speaking for yourself, anyway.

2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

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AND First of all there is no Greek called RAPTURE in. the BIBLE so just check the Greek text

Juist read 2. Thess 2:1 and says COMING //. PAROUSIA even our GATHERINGTOGHETHER unto HIM. !!

Then. in verse says No one should. THOROUGHLY. deceive. you in NOT //ME is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE AND

means DONTTTTTTT. let them deceive , not one way. EXCEPT. the DEPARTURE. //. APOSTASIA. and just check the GREEK

TEXT , SHOULD COME FIRST // PROTOSand the MAN OF SIN. (( MEANS THE ANTI-CHRIST. SHOULD be REVEALED

THE son of DESYTRUCTION. !!

Then. read 2 Thess 2:4-and 5 and then 6-10. !!

dan p

Dan Perez said:

AND First of all there is no Greek called RAPTURE in. the BIBLE so just check the Greek text

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And 'there is no Greek called JESUS in. the BIBLE [EITHER] so just check the Greek text."

Your point is pointless.

1Tonne said:

In Revelation 7, John is having a vision and he is told the number of this very large group of people. Then he sees them and I know if I saw 144,000 people praising God, I would feel as though I could not count them either. It is the same multitude as those who are in white.

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And we will never be called the BRIDE OF CHRIST since I have never see the apostle of. the GENTILES EVER SAY SO !!

Have you ??

dan p

WilliamLhk said:

And 'there is no Greek called JESUS in. the BIBLE [EITHER] so just check the Greek text."

Your point is pointless.

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And in. the Greek it is LESOUS. AND Christ has many more names and like you said , check the Greek and the

HEBREW. many more !!

And did you find the Greed for RAPTURE ??

dan p

Dan Perez said:

And in. the Greek it is LESOUS. AND Christ has many more names and like you said , check the Greek and the

HEBREW. many more !!

And did you find the Greed for RAPTURE ??

dan p

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Everybody knows it who studies eschatology: ἁρπαγέντα / ἁρπάζω / harpazō.

2 Cor.12:2, 4; 1 Thes.4:17; Rev. 12:5