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iluvatar5150 said:
Of course they can't be trusted. The JCPOA wasn't about trust and the terms made it pretty clear that nobody on our side trusted them. If we trusted them, there wouldn't have been a provision to reimpose sanctions if they violated the terms.

You don't need trust in a transactional relationship. All you need is the ability to independently verify that what the other party says is true. It's why you get an independent inspection of a house or a used car before you buy it. It's why we have food inspectors and consumer protection laws, etc. They might still try to cheat you, but hopefully your inspections are robust enough to catch that. And as long as the goods check out, what does it matter whether or not the other party is generally untrustworthy? You still got the goods you were expecting.

But I'm also not sure what about their enrichment constituted being untrustworthy. They didn't hide what they were doing. We broke the terms of the deal by reimposing sanctions, to which they responded by restarting their enrichment program and amassing stockpiles, claiming that they'd stop once we dropped the sanctions.

I don't think it's accurate to say that Trump "caused" them to restart their enrichment program, but as noted, he removed the only thing incentivizing them from doing so and then replaced it with nothing. Their current stockpiles are the result of living under his plan for the last ~9 years. This is his world, not Obama's.
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I always found the "they can't be trusted" line curious. Like.. they can't be trusted, under no circumstance. But now we'll make a deal with them that can be trusted because it's a Trump deal
 
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essentialsaltes said:
Why? Everything suggests they were abiding by the agreement. We're the ones who abrogated it.
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I see that you're still ignoring the fact that Iran is the number one sponsor of terrorism around the world.
 
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Aldebaran said:
I see that you're still ignoring the fact that Iran is the number one sponsor of terrorism around the world.
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Why do you guys keep saying that? It's neither accurate nor relevant. Nobody's ignoring that they support terror. The JCPOA only covered their nuclear program and let stand existing sanctions regarding terrorist stuff. That doesn't negate the fact that we were the ones who broke the deal.
 
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Aldebaran said:
I see that you're still ignoring the fact that Iran is the number one sponsor of terrorism around the world.
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In terms of what, exactly?
People killed?
Number of attacks?

I’m sure that there are plenty of news stories about how Iran “backed” this (or that) group/sect/organization…but how many drug-laden boats have they blown out of the water, lately?
 
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Pommer said:
In terms of what, exactly?
People killed?
Number of attacks?

I’m sure that there are plenty of news stories about how Iran “backed” this (or that) group/sect/organization…but how many drug-laden boats have they blown out of the water, lately?
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Lately? Maybe we got 'em all by now. That's usually the result of consistently taking them out. There are fewer to none in the end. But that still doesn't mean that the source of the drug boats have had a change of heart or values.
 
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Aldebaran said:
Lately? Maybe we got 'em all by now. That's usually the result of consistently taking them out. There are fewer to none in the end. But that still doesn't mean that the source of the drug boats have had a change of heart or values.
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So using violence to get a result that we wanted was “good” because we are the good guys?
 
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Pommer said:
So using violence to get a result that we wanted was “good” because we are the good guys?
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You're the one who asked about the drug boats.
 
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