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Trump administration *pays* two more offshore wind developers to walk away from planned projects

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Not only does this move go against the grain of free market forces, but We The People have to pick up the tab on bribing these companies to give up their plans.

  • The Trump administration is paying $885 million to two energy companies to abandon offshore wind leases, including a project off Morro Bay developed by Golden State Wind.
  • Golden State Wind will recover $120 million in lease fees after investing equally in oil and gas projects, while Bluepoint Wind commits $765 million to a liquefied natural gas facility.
  • The agreement follows a similar $1-billion deal with TotalEnergies and reflects the administration’s opposition to offshore wind development along U.S. coasts.
The Trump administration on Monday said it will pay two more energy companies, including one developing a wind project off Morro Bay, to abandon their projects in federal waters.

The U.S. Department of the Interior said it will pay a total of $885 million to Bluepoint Wind and Golden State Wind to voluntarily end their offshore wind leases, with both agreeing to instead invest in “reliable conventional energy projects.”

The move follows a similar $1-billion deal with the French firm TotalEnergies — which agreed in March to walk away from offshore wind leases off the North Carolina and New York coasts — and is yet another escalation of President Trump’s efforts to obstruct clean energy projects in favor of oil, gas and coal.

The California project was expected to generate up to 2 gigawatts of clean offshore wind energy, or enough to power about 1.1 million homes, according to the company, which is a joint venture between developers Ocean Winds and Reventus Power.

Under the agreement, the company will be eligible to recover about $120 million in lease fees after it makes an equal investment to develop U.S. oil and gas assets, energy infrastructure or liquefied natural gas projects along the Gulf Coast, the Interior Department said. [So this also transfers the money Golden State Wind was going to spend in the Golden State somewhere else.]

New Jersey-based Bluepoint Wind is a partnership between Ocean Winds and Global Infrastructure Partners, which is part of BlackRock. Its project was 2.4-gigawatt wind farm in the early stages of development off the coast of New Jersey and New York.

In its place, the company has committed to invest up to $765 million in a U.S.-based liquefied natural gas facility, the amount of its original wind power bid under the Biden administration. The government will reimburse the company for the full amount of its investment upon completion.

We The People are literally building this facility for a private company.

Both companies have “decided not to pursue any new offshore wind developments in the United States,” the Interior Department said.

Interior Secretary Doug Burgum, who has also been critical of offshore wind, said Monday the industry was “propped up by massive taxpayer subsidies” when the companies bid for their leases in 2022. [How about the 100% taxpayer subsidy you're replacing it with?]
 
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If the quagmire created by Trump and the Trump admin at the Strait of Hormuz is not a reason to maybe look at varying ways of energy other than "conventional energy projects" then I don' know what is.
 
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What a clown show.

Obviously every administration is going to be focussing work to support certain industries.

But to work so hard AGAINST an (obviously) future focussed industry is part for the course with the absurdly stupid group of yokels.
 
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What a clown show.

Obviously every administration is going to be focussing work to support certain industries.

But to work so hard AGAINST an (obviously) future focussed industry is part for the course with the absurdly stupid group of yokels.
Well with the governments commitment to accelerating climate change and ending earth as a habitable place for humans why on earth would invest in the future?? The aim is to end it.
 
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We toxify our oceans and then as consumers have an appetite for what is harvested from them.


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Chemical emissions from offshore wind farms: From identification to challenges in impact assessment and regulation​

Do you have any figures so that we can compare the impact of wind farms to, for example, oil rigs, or the transport of oil? Or maybe refineries? And polutants caused by fossil fuels?

Because there aren't any comparisons in that paper. In fact, the paper was written as a basis to tighten existing regulations and to help...

'...implementation of impact assessment and sound regulations to optimally protect the marine environment'.

Let us know when you have those comparisons. I look forward to discussing them.
 
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....the world is burning through it's oil reserves right now and our leader think's its a good idea to shut down more sources of energy?
I have family in the petroleum industry. I suggest anyone concerned with energy futures do their own independent research.
 
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I have family in the petroleum industry. I suggest anyone concerned with energy futures do their own independent research.
I agree. Let me know when you have researched the comparisons between fossil fuels and renewable energy sources when comparing the degree to which each pollutes the environment.
 
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China’s Big Bet on Wind Power Is Paying Off

An industrial policy of subsidies and import restrictions laid the foundations for China to become almost as dominant in wind turbines as in solar panels.

"We invest in endless win less wars and our billionaires, China invests in their infrastructure.
 
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"We invest in endless win less wars and our billionaires, China invests in their infrastructure.
Not just infrastructure, but 21st century infrastructure. Meanwhile, Trump's giving tax incentives to roll coal.
 
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I agree. Let me know when you have researched the comparisons between fossil fuels and renewable energy sources when comparing the degree to which each pollutes the environment.

Not to mention, comparing the number of wars fought over oil vs. the number fought over wind farms.
 
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IN sorta kinda related news...

Pushed by Trump policies, top U.S. battery scientist is moving to Singapore

Shirley Meng explains why her passion for decarbonizing the global economy required her to relocate​

After 2 decades [in the US], the University of Chicago (UChicago) materials scientist, who also heads a Department of Energy (DOE) research hub, is now heading back to Asia.

On 1 July, Meng will become vice president for innovation and global affairs at Singapore’s Nanyang Technological University (NTU), her undergraduate alma mater and a growing research powerhouse.

In making the move, Meng is also stepping down as director of the $62 million Energy Storage Research Alliance (ESRA) based at Argonne National Laboratory, one of two DOE battery hubs launched in the waning months of former President Joe Biden’s administration.
 
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IN sorta kinda related news...

Pushed by Trump policies, top U.S. battery scientist is moving to Singapore

Shirley Meng explains why her passion for decarbonizing the global economy required her to relocate​

After 2 decades [in the US], the University of Chicago (UChicago) materials scientist, who also heads a Department of Energy (DOE) research hub, is now heading back to Asia.

On 1 July, Meng will become vice president for innovation and global affairs at Singapore’s Nanyang Technological University (NTU), her undergraduate alma mater and a growing research powerhouse.

In making the move, Meng is also stepping down as director of the $62 million Energy Storage Research Alliance (ESRA) based at Argonne National Laboratory, one of two DOE battery hubs launched in the waning months of former President Joe Biden’s administration.

Hey, at least it's not China, whose wind [and solar] industries are booming....

Last year, China installed three times as much wind power capacity as the rest of the world combined, even as its turbine exports jumped. The global industry’s center of gravity has shifted decisively: All of the world’s six largest wind turbine manufacturers are Chinese, displacing once-dominant European firms and companies like General Electric.

The war has made China’s investments in wind look prescient. Its Asian neighbors, long reliant on Middle Eastern oil and gas, are struggling to secure fuel supplies. Meanwhile, China, with its massive reserves and modern electric grid, is better positioned to weather the energy crisis.
 
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Hey, at least it's not China, whose wind [and solar] industries are booming....

Last year, China installed three times as much wind power capacity as the rest of the world combined, even as its turbine exports jumped. The global industry’s center of gravity has shifted decisively: All of the world’s six largest wind turbine manufacturers are Chinese, displacing once-dominant European firms and companies like General Electric.

The war has made China’s investments in wind look prescient. Its Asian neighbors, long reliant on Middle Eastern oil and gas, are struggling to secure fuel supplies. Meanwhile, China, with its massive reserves and modern electric grid, is better positioned to weather the energy crisis.
And from here: Solar Panel Install Statistics and Facts in Australia - Solar Calculator

'With an estimated number of 10.9 Million homes in Australia, this brings the total of all households in Australia that have solar panels to 40.07%.'

That's easily the best per capita in the world. Not only is the US incapabable of keeping up, Trump is actively dragging you backwards. But then again, if you'd seen his truth social AI meme, 'he has all the cards'. 'Cept the cards he's holding are all for the game UNO. You need to get rid of all your cards to win.

What a loser...
 
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