Marijuana the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil?

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It was brought up on another thread that an "Apple" was the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good & evil. I have no idea why the forbidden fruit gets portrayed as an Apple so often. Here's my beleif and why:

My theory is that Marijuana was the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

I used to smoke it regularly as a teenager, and I remember clearly that often after I smoked I would feel guilty about "sin" although I didn't even know what sin was. Its like I got this insight into myself, and I'd understand that smoking cigarettes was wrong, drinking was wrong, and stealing liqour from my families liquor cabinets was wrong. I realized I had been behaving badly towards my family, and even that smoking pot itself was wrong.

"And ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil....a tree to be desired to make one wise." ~ Genesis 3:5 & 6

Notice the scripture says a tree to BE DESIRED. Even though I knew smoking pot was wrong from the effects it gave me, the first thing I did when I was no longer high was to go DESIRE MORE! What a deception! :sigh:

I often stayed inside, or went to places alone in the woods when i was under the effects of marijuana. I seemed to be hiding my "shame" from society, yet at the same time I realized God was watching and I couldn't hide from him! (Now at this time I had NO BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, yet these things were happening!) By smoking pot I seemed to have a comprehension of "good and evil" I also felt shame and wanted to hide....

"Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord amongst the trees of the garden..." ~ Genesis 3:8

Scripture says that when they partook of the fruit that "The eyes of both of them were openned..." ~ Genesis 3:7
We know that medically, marijuana can be used to help the eyes. It is used especially for glaucoma patients. Once in Florida I was camping in the jungle-like forest. I ran into a branch at night and it scratched my eye. My vision was blurred and my eye watered continually. A friend gave me a joint and after one hit my vision cleared and came into focus, just like focussing the lense on a camera or binoculars! My eye quit watering for about an hour. So I have seen the physical as well as mental & spiritual "Opening of the eyes."

Eve saw the tree was good for food and pleasant to the sight. At first people might think this couldn't be marijuana because of the food aspect. Hemp seeds are edible and contain oils that are very healthy for you. It IS good for food! The seed itself has negligible amounts of THC and will not alter ones mind, even in large amounts. But the seed is in the flower, and the flower is chock full of THC. This is what gets a person high. Anyone eating the flowery buds of a marijuana plant will experience a high, and all that goes along with it.

For these reasons I have felt for several years that marijuana is probably the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

#1) The high produced by it often causes you to know good and evil.

#2) It causes "shame" and people often get "paranoid" while high, and want to hide.

#3) It can "open the eyes" phyisically, as well as menatlly/spiritually.

#4) Its seeds and seed oils are good for food.

#5) The plant is pleasant to the sight.

#6) It causes itself "To be desired to make one wise" (Or so the smoker thinks...)

Hence, I beleive Marijuana fits the criteria for the tree in Genesis 3, and is a far better candidate than Apples. This is also a good incentive NOT to start smoking pot!
 

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I know of one pseudo-christian sect that says the tree was drug-related as well.

I also once read a lengthy article in Cannabis Canada about supposed instances of marjuana in the Bible (that was highly amusing! pot heads should not try to write scholarly papers... ).

While it may be possible that you are right, we have no biblical basis for making such a claim--the things you pointed out could be merely coincidental, and may or may not be the best theory. In any case we can't know for sure, at least not yet. :)
 
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Hi there!

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Ge 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

So... everyone is going to quit smoking pot and just eat it instead? Remember.... God sent man out of the garden and put cherubims at the gate to keep man from the garden and from the tree of knowledge and the tree of life.

So... I think it is safe to assume that God didn't let the tree of knowledge grow outside Eden.


~serapha~
 
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And thats why I called it a "theory." I suppose there a lot of circumstantial connections that point that way. Poor little Apples just take too much of a bad rap! Pot fits the description quite well, and from many peoples experiences, not just mine.

There are also some pseudo-christians that beleive smoking pot is OK, because its a "seed bearing plant" and according to scripture every seed bearing plant was given for food. (I don't see how that justifies SMOKING it though!) They also pick out verses in Proverbs like "The Herbs of the mountains are gathered." and apply this to marijuana. Scripturally I think they were refering to mint, anise, cummin, and such ~ NOT mind altering plants! :sigh:
 
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Serapha,
So... everyone is going to quit smoking pot and just eat it instead? Remember.... God sent man out of the garden and put cherubims at the gate to keep man from the garden and from the tree of knowledge and the tree of life.

So... I think it is safe to assume that God didn't let the tree of knowledge grow outside Eden.

Doesn't matter whether its smoked or eaten, its effects are the same. (Some people DO eat it in brownies & cookies btw.)

As for the second part: God let SIN out of the garden, and ALL the effects of sin. If you read Genesis 3:22 - 24, God drove man out and set the cherubim with flaming sword there to guard the TREE OF LIFE, not the other tree..... In fact, I think its safe to say the tree of knowledge, as well as its effects upon man generation after generation are alive and well today.
 
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Knight said:
Adam's sin in the Garden had to do with the act of disobedience rather than the specific kind of fruit involved. God said, don't do it and man did.

I have to agree with Knight on this. Lets not dwell on what objects were what, but rather what act too place at that moment. The act of human disobedience to God the Creator.

Enter Sin.

Well said, Knight.
 
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Knight said:
Adam's sin in the Garden had to do with the act of disobedience rather than the specific kind of fruit involved. God said, don't do it and man did.


Thats true too.

I dont think its the tree or what type of fruit it was, it was the principle.

I mean the "Tree of Life" and the "Tree of Knowledge" (Is that even a good translation?) could have just been ordinary fruit trees that were right next to each other.

God says "Eat from this but not from that" and one should obey. Once one disobeys one has sinned and has had their "Shield" taken away.

it doesnt matter what Type of fruit or its supernatural propetties. All that maters is that Adam and Eve Disobeyed,.

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Ok, first of all I AGREE with those of you who say it was the ACT of disobedience that carries weight here, not what fruit or plant may have been eaten. That God said don't partake of it, and they went ahead and did anyways is the act that led to sin entering the world. Actually it doesn't matter if the act even involved plants at all.

I've heard some pretty way out theories on the "fruit" ~ even going so far as to say it was sex, or one preacher even said Eve had sex with satan and Cain was their offspring! I think even William Branham, a Oneness pentecostal preacher hold some of those views.

"Fruit" can mean anything, not just what we consider fruit, such as apples and oranges, peaches or pears. Marijuana does produce a "fruit" though technically we'de view it as a flower and seed. Then there are "fruits" of our labors, "Fruits" of the Spirit, and "You shall know them by their fruits." Fruits therefore simply means what one produces, what one bears.

"Marijuana is smoked not eaten." ~ For the most part this is true in modern times. But originally Marijuana WAS eaten, and steeped in teas. The practice of smoking came along later. And marijuana is still eaten today. Ever hear of "pot brownies" or hash brownies?"

In the garden, if marijuana was the forbidden fruit, it would have been ingested by eating. Smoking of anything wasn't even invented yet in the mind of man....
 
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Starcrystal I think you bring up a great argument. I have always wondered as well why we always portray the forbidden fruit as an apple. Marijuana fits more than the apple does but I don't think its the actually forbidden fruit, but its a good theory. I especially agree with the eyes being opened up both physically and spiritually; people who have smoked or ate (like in brownies) can attest to this. You do see things differently, I think however that feeling ashamed was just GOD's spirit trying to tell you that it was wrong. On a different note, the forbidden fruit might not have been a physical fruit at all. All thoughout the bible, fruit has always been a metaphor for actions or works. I am reading a very powerful book called "There were two trees in the garden" by Rick Joyner, and he brings up some interesting points...
 
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Funny, me & my wife took a walk and saw 7 Mountain goats in the mounatain by our house last night, and now we have a MountainGoat here too ;)

Yes, Fruit is used as a metaphor quite often. thats what I was getting at when I was saying fruit meant far more than just apples & oranges. I think I started reading that book "There were two Trees in the garden" awhile back, but I end up with so many books that some get set aside. Now I don't have it any more :(
 
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Interesting fact. The Root of the word sorcery



Topic: Sorcery

[size=+1]<A-1,Noun,5331,pharmakia[-eia]> [/size]
(Eng., "pharmacy," etc.) primarily signified "the use of medicine, drugs, spells;" then, "poisoning;" then, "sorcery," Gal. 5:20, RV, "sorcery" (AV, "witchcraft"), mentioned as one of "the works of the flesh." See also Rev. 9:21; 18:23. In the Sept., Ex. 7:11,22; 8:7,18; Isa. 47:9,12. In "sorcery," the use of drugs, whether simple or potent, was generally accompanied by incantations and appeals to occult powers, with the provision of various charms, amulets, etc., professedly designed to keep the applicant or patient from the attention and power of demons, but actually to impress the applicant with the mysterious resources and powers of the sorcerer.

The above is from Vines New Testament Words
Pharmakia sound familiar? We all know more Greek than we thought!


See Revelation 21:8 for the destiny of sorcerers.
 
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What the fruit on the tree was is not important. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents us getting to know God using our own methods, relying on our own understanding. This is clearly pointed out in the story. satan says it is good to make one wise, this appeals to the pride which is mans biggest downfall. There was truth mixed in with his lie: They didn't die physically, and they did get some knowledge of good and evil. Their sin caused them to know they were unacceptable to God, and that they were kicked out of His presence, and the garden.

The tree of life represents us knowing God through intimate personal relationship with Him just like we, and there can be no doubt in our minds the difference between knowing about someone through various sources, and knowing someone through personal relationships. The personal relationship will reveal a lot more about the person than the other method. God never intended that we not know all about Him.

God since the fall has told us how to get back to that personal relationship with Him In The Bible, and I quote a few Scriptures as evidence.

I Corithians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Prov 3:5-8 TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL THINE HEART, LEAN NOT TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING, BE NOT WISE IN YOUR OWN EYES
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II Tim 3:16-17 ALL SCRIPTURE BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, AND PROFITABLE, THAT THE MAN OF GOD BE PERFECT

2 Pet 1:20 NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION

2 Sam 14:14 NEITHER DOTH GOD RESPECT ANY PERSON

Job 37:24 HE RESPECTETH NOT ANY THAT ARE WISE OF HEART.

Deut 6:6-9
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
(KJV)

If you will follow these instructions you will save yourself a lot of time, and struggle in developing your personal relationship with God. I wasted a lot of years in doing it mans way before my frustration at all the different doctrines they came up with caused me to go back to The Bible, and rely solely on The Holy Spirit to show me what they mean. You will never go wrong doing it God's way.
 
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Good post Mythbuster. There are some who aren't aware that drug abusing IS mentioned in Scripture, translated "sorcery" from the Greek Pharamkia, from which we derive the word "pharmacy" and "pharmecutical." This is a New Testement word, but what it shows is that occult powers and deceptions could be brought about by drugs, not just spells and incantations...

Excellent scriptures Curt, and true: if we follow the Lord and are obedient to His will we can't go wrong.
 
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