FCC chair threatens broadcast licenses as Trump criticizes Iran war coverage

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Trump doesn't want people to watch the evils, that Trump has our military doing. By stopping people from hearing the truth about his horrible invasions of other counties. And Trumps other illegal things.

Click to expand...

No, Trump doesn't want the American people how badly he has miscalculated. He naively thinks Americans will accept higher energy cost (and the downstream effects theresof) if can bamboozle us into thinking attacking Iran was a good thing.

Tuur said:

Let us know when they deliberately try to start firestorms as was done in WWII Europe and Japan.

Click to expand...

Is that your line?

The military's threshold for a war crime is a lot lower than that.

This reminds me of the debate over torture as an interrogation tactic. The people who were gung-ho for torture were all civilians. The generals were the ones who were uniformly saying, "No, no, no, we don't want to do torture."

Civilians were then, "What if we gave you permission to do torture?"

The generals were still, "No, we don't even want permission to do torture."

Because they didn't want to be the leaders of people who torture for a living.

The military has far less taste for human butchery than civilians.

A soldier's tale:

Tuur said:

Except I keep going back to the 1960s and 1970s and Vietnam. Had a newspaper during WWII run something like the Pentagon Papers or an US actress gone over to visit the Imperial Japanese forces, both would have been charged with treason. If it was something we were sleepwalking into, much of what was in the media during the Vietnam era wouldn’t have happened.

What we have here is more an echo of calls to squelch “misinformation” during both COVID and the Biden Administration. It’s amusing to watch h those who wanted government vetting of speech have a conniption over this, and those who screamed about freedom of speech then suddenly think government oversight of media is entirely proper.

Click to expand...

Pretty much except that I don't recall Jessica Rosenworcel threatening broadcasters' licenses or Biden accuse those people of treason over coverage - but, other than that, it's just the same.

wing2000 said:

No, Trump doesn't want the American people how badly he has miscalculated.

Click to expand...

Well he only filed for bankruptcy six gimes. And his exact college GPA has never been publicly released. He graduated from Wharton School in 1968 without honors.

So “miscalculate” is what he does.

Akita Suggagaki said:

Well he only filed for bankruptcy six gimes. And his exact college GPA has never been publicly released. He graduated from Wharton School in 1968 without honors.

So “miscalculate” is what he does.

Click to expand...

Not exactly. Trump has never filed for personal bankruptcy. He has file for different business operations. Which, incidentally, is an advantage of incorporation for anyone with a business. Depending on the source, Trump is involved in several hundred businesses.

FWIW, Buckminister Fuller just came to mind. He considered suicide after the failure of his construction business and a personal tragedy. Guess he miscalculated, too, which isn't unusual.

RDKirk said:

The military has far less taste for human butchery than civilians.

Click to expand...

The name of John Turchin is probably not all that well known, but he was court martialed over actions in Athens, Alabama and removed from service. Secretary of War Stanton then made him brigadier general, which outranked those who convicted him, and returned to service. When Sherman later did pretty much the same thing, no one batted an eye. What people have a taste for can rapidly change, particularly in a situation like a great-great-grandfather was in, when he "...drank water than men and horses had bleed and died in and was glad to get it." IIRC, he also observed "People got meaner and meaner" as the American Civil War progressed.

It's not a matter of a taste for butchery; it's a matter of what is. Like a friend who, when he arrived in Vietnam, wondered if he could actually kill someone, then that night, while on guard duty, moved from his position just before an artillery round struck where he'd been standing and that changed his opinion. Or an uncle in the Pacific who, was saying along with his friends what he would do when he saw a Japanese soldier only for the tall grass in front of them to part and there stand an unarmed Japanese soldiers carrying canteens, and not a one pulled the trigger, allowing him to slowly bow and back away. That changed at some point as he was crawling under Japanese and US shells flying overhead. And there were other stories that perhaps are not for the squeamish.

You, no doubt, have certainly have heard far more than me, and since I was unable to serve due to a physical condition (according to the MEPS), have absolutely seen more than I have. My point is more in line of only those who've been there really know, and those of us who've listened to them for most of our lives and who realize that what they told us was often sanitized at least have an inkling that some ideas of combat are, well, naive. Sort of like the civilians in an incident in the American Civil War who came out to watch a battle as though they were watching a game, only to be overrun as the battle progressed, And I'm reminded that an uncle who was at D-Day never discussed it, and I only knew about it from an aunt, who said he had nightmares about it, and that was over forty years later.

Right now, Vannevar Bush came to mind. He had done work on the incendiary bomb used by the US in WWII and is said to have awaken screaming because he "burned Tokyo." And yet Tokyo still burned. And that is war.

The lame stream media desperately wants us to believe we are losing the war or can't win it. The fact are we and the Isrealis have demolished the Iranians. Missle strikes and even drone strikes have dropped dramatically from the beginning. It sounds like the new supreme leader has been taken out. So I have no idea what any claims of miscalculation mean anymore. It is fast coming when the Iranians can take back their government.

rjs330 said:

The lame stream media desperately wants us to believe we are losing the war or can't win it. The fact are we and the Isrealis have demolished the Iranians. Missle strikes and even drone strikes have dropped dramatically from the beginning. It sounds like the new supreme leader has been taken out. So I have no idea what any claims of miscalculation mean anymore. It is fast coming when the Iranians can take back their government.

Click to expand...

So, was a "win" supposed to merely be bombing them back to the stone age and walking away?

rjs330 said:

The lame stream media desperately wants us to believe we are losing the war or can't win it.

Click to expand...

Trump said he already won the war days ago. Or is he lying yet again?

Tuur said:

Not exactly. Trump has never filed for personal bankruptcy. He has file for different business operations. Which, incidentally, is an advantage of incorporation for anyone with a business. Depending on the source, Trump is involved in several hundred businesses.

FWIW, Buckminister Fuller just came to mind. He considered suicide after the failure of his construction business and a personal tragedy. Guess he miscalculated, too, which isn't unusual.

Click to expand...

Fuller was never commander in chief. We all make mistakes. This is very true. Some make it a habit and somehow get away with it.

rjs330 said:

The lame stream media desperately wants us to believe we are losing the war or can't win it. The fact are we and the Isrealis have demolished the Iranians. Missle strikes and even drone strikes have dropped dramatically from the beginning. It sounds like the new supreme leader has been taken out. So I have no idea what any claims of miscalculation mean anymore. It is fast coming when the Iranians can take back their government.

Click to expand...

Of course, Iran had already agreed to all our terms when Trump decided to bomb them anyway.

rjs330 said:

The lame stream media desperately wants us to believe we are losing the war or can't win it. The fact are we and the Isrealis have demolished the Iranians. Missle strikes and even drone strikes have dropped dramatically from the beginning. It sounds like the new supreme leader has been taken out. So I have no idea what any claims of miscalculation mean anymore. It is fast coming when the Iranians can take back their government.

Click to expand...

I haven't noticed that. But if Iran is any thing like other Muslim countries. It may another 10 plus years invasive. Just to leave Iran worse.

wing2000 said:

No, Trump doesn't want the American people how badly he has miscalculated. He naively thinks Americans will accept higher energy cost (and the downstream effects of) if can bamboozle us into thinking attacking Iran was a good thing.

Click to expand...

Trump supporters accept hire cost and their people dying. Because Trump and their news channels will tell them, what they want to hear.

Akita Suggagaki said:

Fuller was never commander in chief. We all make mistakes. This is very true. Some make it a habit and somehow get away with it.

Click to expand...

Harry S. Truman was, and a failed businessman. How he went from failed haberdasher to the "Senator from Pendergast" to VP to President is an interesting one.

wing2000 said:

No, Trump doesn't want the American people how badly he has miscalculated. He naively thinks Americans will accept higher energy cost (and the downstream effects theresof) if can bamboozle us into thinking attacking Iran was a good thing.

Click to expand...

And Joe Kennedy supposedly advised Neville Chamberlain that war in Europe would be bad for business.

RDKirk said:

So, was a "win" supposed to merely be bombing them back to the stone age and walking away?

Click to expand...

A comment by Curtis LeMay come to mind, but the scorched earth champaign the Colony of South Carolina, then State of South Carolina, practiced also comes to mind. Being that the US hasn't had a good track record at nation building, bombing them until they can no longer fight, then going home is likely the best option.

Tuur said:

Except I keep going back to the 1960s and 1970s and Vietnam. Had a newspaper during WWII run something like the Pentagon Papers or an US actress gone over to visit the Imperial Japanese forces, both would have been charged with treason. If it was something we were sleepwalking into, much of what was in the media during the Vietnam era wouldn’t have happened.

Click to expand...

The question is: Was there anything like the Pentagon Papers to be exposed during WWII? World War II was fundamentally different from Vietnam.

Tuur said:

A comment by Curtis LeMay come to mind, but the scorched earth champaign the Colony of South Carolina, then State of South Carolina, practiced also comes to mind. Being that the US hasn't had a good track record at nation building, bombing them until they can no longer fight, then going home is likely the best option.

Click to expand...

So, then: Īrānia delenda est?

RDKirk said:

So, then: Īrānia delenda est?

Click to expand...

If they refuse to surrender, that is the alternative.

RDKirk said:

The question is: Was there anything like the Pentagon Papers to be exposed during WWII? World War II was fundamentally different from Vietnam.

Click to expand...

Potsdam as a possibility comes to mind.