I have a question and I’m confused

CLEEB said:

Yes, all the false doctrine being taught by all the false churches.

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The Scriptures do not teach this. It plainly teaches there is a church (God's people) who stays faithful to Him Rev14:12, but sadly just a remnant Rev12:17

SabbathBlessings said:

The Scriptures do not teach this. It plainly teaches there is a church (God's people) who stays faithful to Him Rev14:12, but sadly just a remnant Rev12:17

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OK, tell me which one that is.

CLEEB said:

OK, tell me which one that is.

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Find the church that upholds God's commandments (His version Exo20:6 Deut4:13 Exo31:18) and has the faith of Jesus Rev14:12 which is how Jesus lived and what He taught. That will eliminate at least 99% of the churches. God's oracles (His truth) will never be lost, but sadly just a remanent keeps and believes in and follows.

SabbathBlessings said:

Find the church that upholds God's commandments (His version Exo20:6 Deut4:13 Exo31:18) and has the faith of Jesus Rev14:12 which is how Jesus lived and what He taught. That will eliminate at least 99% of the churches. God's oracles (His truth) will never be lost, but sadly just a remanent keeps and believes in and follows.

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Are you in one of the splinter churches of the former Worldwide Church of GOD ? Are you with the SDA ? The seventh day Baptists?

CLEEB said:

Are you in one of the splinter churches of the former Worldwide Church of GOD ? Are you with the SDA ?

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The SDA was never part of the “church of God “ denomination..

SabbathBlessings said:

The SDA was never part of the “church of God “ denomination..

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Please answer my question. What church are YOU in ?

CLEEB said:

Please answer my question. What church are YOU in ?

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You can see people's church affiliation by looking at their profile. (In my browser, I click the down-arrow under their profile picture.) @SabbathBlessings 's profile says Seventh Day Adventist (SDA).

PloverWing said:

You can see people's church affiliation by looking at their profile. (In my browser, I click the down-arrow under their profile picture.) @SabbathBlessings 's profile says Seventh Day Adventist (SDA).

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This one has restricted access to the profile.

BobRyan said:

It means they test all their doctrine against the Bible alone.

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Wrong - Lutherans, Anglicans and Methodists, who avow Sola Scriptura, and I have been an Anglican and Methodist, also test their doctrine against other things, for example, Tradition and Reason. This is why in most respects their doctrine historically agreed with that of the ancient churches, and still does in the case of the confessional movement.

You’re confusing solo scriptura with sola scriptura.

And again, which AI are you talking about? Different AIs produce different results.

CLEEB said:

Modern Christianity is an all you can eat buffet, a smorgasbord , a gigantic confusing mess. People caught up in it can’t see it. People don’t ask questions or do any real research to discover that there is no church out there that is the outgrowth of the Pentecost church. They are all 501C3’s in competition for members and money. These churches are what GOD calls HIS people out of, they are the unclean thing.

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So, you say all churches are wrong, yet your profile lists you as "Christian". Do you belong to any church, or do you just live as a solitary Christian?

CLEEB said:

Modern Christianity is an all you can eat buffet, a smorgasbord , a gigantic confusing mess.

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Orthodox Christianity is not modern, nor any of the rest. Nor is confessional Lutheranism or traditional Anglicanism or Roman Catholicism or other forms of liturgical Christianity.

CLEEB said:

This one has restricted access to the profile.

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I don’t think he or she wants their church affiliation known.

CLEEB said:

I don’t think he or she wants their church affiliation known.

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This is what I see when I click the down-arrow under her profile picture:



Are you sure this doesn't work for you?

Lærke said:

How do we really know that we’re in the right denomination and does it really even matter what denomination unless they’re a cult obviously they’re wrong, but how do we know which one to follow, which one to go to or what church?

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How do we really know that we're in the right denomination? The Bible answers this question.

Noticeably absent in this declaration is tradition. In fact, Jesus warned against tradition.

If tradition causes you to break the commandments of God, then it is making the commandments of none effect.


If the Bible teaches sound doctrine, then the Bible gives you everything you need to know. I suggest prayerfully reading the Bible, so that you know what the truth is. Only then can you determine what church is Biblical. Note that it isn't so much about personal preference as it is about whether or not a church is upholding the Biblical standard. If it is upholding the Biblical standard, the rest should already be in place.

The internet is a great way to find out about the various denominations. Most church websites state their beliefs. Test them with scripture. Quite a few churches live stream their worship services on YouTube. Watch before attending.

There is a church out there for you.

PloverWing said:

So, you say all churches are wrong, yet your profile lists you as "Christian". Do you belong to any church, or do you just live as a solitary Christian?

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The Pentecost church was scattered to the four winds and I am one of the scattered. At the second advent Christ will gather what was scattered. “Christian“ is a label that most recognize but others are; sons of GOD, the saints, the called and chosen, the elect of GOD . GOD dwells in HIS people and they in HIM, not in temples made with hands. They are taught by GOD through the mediator Jesus Christ and have no need that any man should teach them. The anointing of the spirit is their teacher. They believe and speak the same things, there is no division. They are empowered by “agape“, GODS love to truly love GOD and neighbor. They do this not by command but by nature, the divine nature they partake of. They are one with GOD and Christ who have made their home with them. These scattered are for all intents and purposes invisible to the world that is under the sway of the wicked one. They fellowship with two or three of their brothers and sisters who are of like mind. They live peacefully and quietly as ambassadors of the kingdom on Earth and do not touch unclean things that are highly esteemed by men. No one can of themselves choose this church, GOD chooses them. I am not a solitary “Christian“ , there are others , but most of them I do not know, only those I directly fellowship with. I know this seems very strange to you and that you don’t believe it but I have answered your question.

PloverWing said:

This is what I see when I click the down-arrow under her profile picture:

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Are you sure this doesn't work for you?

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OK, I tried that and got what you did. Thank you for your help.

This is such a tough one something I have struggled with, I always feel no matter where I try something not right but that could be me, I agree with sabbath blessing pray on it .

Adonay said:

This is such a tough one something I have struggled with, I always feel no matter where I try something not right but that could be me, I agree with sabbath blessing pray on it .

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Go to GOD in prayer and confess to HIM your fear and ignorance of HIS way and truth. Ask GOD to have mercy on you and for HIM to teach you HIS ways. Psalm 25:8-9 James 1:5 James 4:10 No man can do this for you. Jesus gave his life so that you can have a connection to GOD, use it, forget men and their churches. Men can lie to you but GOD will not. Work out your own salvation in fear and trembling. No man can do this for you either. I did this 30 years ago and have no regrets.

Freth said:

Noticeably absent in this declaration is tradition. In fact, Jesus warned against tradition.

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This is false.

The same saint you’re quoting, St. Paul, endorsed tradition explicitly in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and 1 Coirnthians 11:2, and indeed in 2 Thessalonians 3:5 St. Paul tells us to avoid those who reject the Apostolic tradition.

Christ our True God, in the context of the pericopde you’re quoting, is not condemning Christian tradtion, which was received from Him, and includes such important things as the contents of the New Testament, the Nicene Creed, the doctrine of the Trinity, the rejection of Pelagianism and certain other misreadings of the New Testament such as Docetism, but rather, a specific tradition of the Pharisees.

The Pharisees had a belief in a man-made tradition, one specific part of which is referred to here, which contradicted the Holy Tradition of the Prophets which by the time of Christ few believed in (St. John the Baptist being one example, St. Symeon another, St. Lazarus another, St. Joseph of Arimathea, another, and which was rejected by the Sadducees and other Jews (but the Sadducees also rejected a belief in eternal life, which the Pharisees correctly believed in, so each group was in error in its own particular way, since they had rejected the Holy Tradition of Moses in favor of their own man-made traditions).

If Christ rejected all tradition, then St. Paul would not have commanded us to follow the Apostolic tradition in 1 Corinthians 11:2, 2 Thessalonians 2:15, or to avoid those who reject it in 2 Thessalonians 3:5 (on which basis we avoid fellowship with Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses).

I have a problem with hermeneutics that selectively quote the Apostles and demand we read some verses in a literal manner, applying as broadly as possible, while rejecting a literal interpretation of other verses, for example, John 6:53-55.

And I am not alone on this. The relelentless criticism of traditional churches is extremely hurtful to members of this site who are pious and devout Christians, members such as my excellent Lutheran friends @MarkRohfrietsch @ViaCrucis and dear @Ain't Zwinglian , my dear Anglican friends @Jipsah @PloverWing @seeking.IAM and ShaneR, and my pious co-religionists in the Orthodox Church @prodromos @FenderTL5 @jas3 , and my gallant Roman Catholic friends such as @Xeno.of.athens and @RileyG and @chevyontheriver , all of whom have over the years been so kind to me, even as other members have questioned my faith, or accused me of teaching false doctrine, or said unpleasant things, because, for example, I use an Orthodox icon of our Lord and the Theotokos as my avatar.

it is driven by a false dichotomy of Roman Catholicism vs. radical Restorationism, a kind of extreme anti-traditional Christianity that opposes the teachings of Martin Luther, John Wesley, John Calvin, Thomas Cranmer and the other actual leaders of the Protestant Reformation, and even those of the Radical Reformation and the early Baptists. Historically, Restorationism originated in the 19th century, and some Restorationists embraced tradition, whereas others rejected it, but all shared the belief that the doctrines of the early church had been forgotten and needed to be “restored.”

The Liturgist said:

This is false.

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Let's look at the statements I made again.

How do we really know that we're in the right denomination? The Bible answers this question.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.​

Noticeably absent in this declaration is tradition. In fact, Jesus warned against tradition.

Matthew 15:3-6 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.​

If tradition causes you to break the commandments of God, then it is making the commandments of none effect.

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2 Timothy 3:16-17 does not mention tradition.

Tradition that goes against the commandment of God, according to Jesus Matthew 15:3-6, makes the commandment of none effect. This was the specific point I was making.

I didn't say all tradition is bad.

Let's look at 2 Thessalonians 2:15, but include verse 14 for context.

The gospel.


Jesus.


What does Paul say about the gospel in 1 Thessalonians 7:7-10?


Paul is speaking of those who do not obey the gospel. Disobedience/obedience. I was addressing tradition that specifically causes transgression of the commandments of God and makes it of none effect, as per Matthew 15:3-6. Disobedience/obedience.