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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

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Speeding towards the US, is not the same as speeding to the US. I also said anyone who thinks we're talking about drug carrying speed boats making a nonstop trip from Venezuela to the US aren't putting much thought into logistics.

You should be more carful when making critiques on wording.

As it turns out, the boat wasn't even traveling toward the U.S. [for the geography challenged, Suriname is located East of Venezuela].

The alleged drug traffickers killed by the US military in a strike on September 2 were heading to link up with another, larger vessel that was bound for Suriname — a small South American country east of Venezuela – the admiral who oversaw the operation told lawmakers on Thursday, according to two sources with direct knowledge of his remarks.

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US drug enforcement officials say that trafficking routes via Suriname are primarily destined for European markets. US-bound drug trafficking routes have been concentrated on the Pacific Ocean in recent years.



Now, where was that larger vessel headed?

If the U.S. ....would it not be better of use of our resources to interdict that vessel?
 
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would it not be better of use of our resources to interdict that vessel?

How could we satisfy the lust for blood doing that?
 
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A loaded question, by definition, carries a hidden assumption. What was the hidden assumption, or premise?

Do not presume to know my motives that you can claim I asked in bad faith. It was clarifying that you appear to approve of the action of killing these people in order to deter others. That was the sum total of what I'm trying to determine.
I know if I used that kind of wording I'd be asking a loaded question. I'm sure you could have asked the same question in a better way. The way you should post is to surmise how someone else will interpret it, as indeed no one can read your mind. And if someone gets it wrong the first time try rewording it, instead of arguing with them about how it looked to them. Going back and forth like that is off topic and you'll likely never reach an agreement.
 
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I know if I used that kind of wording I'd be asking a loaded question. I'm sure you could have asked the same question in a better way. The way you should post is to surmise how someone else will interpret it, as indeed no one can read your mind.

You post your way, I'll post mine.
And if someone gets it wrong the first time try rewording it, instead of arguing with them about how it looked to them. Going back and forth like that is off topic and you'll likely never reach an agreement.
If you don't want to answer the question just say so.
 
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Write to your Senator and CongressCritter: Demand that Trump stop killing innocent drug transporters.
Support your local narcotics dealers. After all, they are just trying to make a living and they have families to support too!!!
 
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Why do you care so much if we like Trump? I don’t see what liking him has to do with holding this administration accountable to their actions. Do you believe Trump fans weren’t doing the same for Biden, Harris, Obama, Clinton?
To a degree its part of politics. But in recent times with all the fake news and culture war where sides are polarised. Its made the politics polarised and partisan to the point where politicians and the legacy media are willing to lie. Thats not good for anything and a symptom of a very troubled system that is not working and actually covering up stuff and causing harm.

We only have to look at this recent period with the rise of political assassinations and violence. These are the symptoms of those lies and rhetoric that cultivates hate and division.

The Lefts relentless almost deranged fixation on Trump is glaring. The truth is coming out to what extent they went to twist the truth to get him. But also other Conservatives and also even Christians.

I don't trust one word they say and I don't care what they say. They have disqualified themselves and have no moral ground to stand on.

Its not about not liking Trump or a politician on the opposite side. Its the level of hate that causes people to actually twist the truth and reality that is the problem. Not liking and deranged hatred are two different things.
 
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Write to your Senator and CongressCritter: Demand that Trump stop killing innocent drug transporters.
Support your local narcotics dealers. After all, they are just trying to make a living and they have families to support too!!!
After all, Trump is pardoning drug dealers these days.
 
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We only have to look at this recent period with the rise of political assassinations and violence. These are the symptoms of those lies and rhetoric that cultivates hate and division.
I'm glad you agree that the recent Republican violence is unacceptable.
The Lefts relentless almost deranged fixation on Trump is glaring.
He is a convicted fraud and rapist, after all.
I don't trust one word they say and I don't care what they say. They have disqualified themselves and have no moral ground to stand on.
Compared to Trump the convicted fraud and rapist?

Have you asked Stormy Daniels about this?
 
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Actually Cotton is backing Admiral Mitch Bradley a decorated officer who was in charge and stated it was a justified strike as they were still in the game.
Sure he is. They're both Trump's guys.
 
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I'm glad you agree that the recent Republican violence is unacceptable.
That you say this actually shows your bias and in doing so are promoting the very thing I am talking about.
He is a convicted fraud and rapist, after all.
Ah the old Trumps a felon. I have not heard that one for a while. When all else fails revert back to the stock standard narrative. We have already seen the witch hunt with all that lawfare trying to get Trump.

I wonder if the same level or even half that level will expose the dirty secrets of those who tried to get him. Already some are being exposed. More will come out. It seems the Dems fingerprints are all over the Epstein files. Give me a break you have no moral ground to stand on.
Compared to Trump the convicted fraud and rapist?
So far Trump has done exactly what he promosed and it seems most people supported this. I would be very careful about throwing stones from glass houses.
Have you asked Stormy Daniels about this?
Hum have you asked Epstein exactly what Clinton was doing on the plane so many times. Or exactly what he was saying to a Dem rep in congress. Or what all the other Dems connection is with Epstein were up to. Why had this not been investigated by the Dems with the same vigor in getting Trump. Blantant hypocrites and vipers. .

Why did the Dems including Waltz who was actually a VP candidate not investigate the many frauds under his watch as though he knew all along but kept it quiet because he would lose votes. Or at the least was grossly incompetent and yet was made the Vice Presidential candidate.

Which shows how far out of touch with reality they were. Not that everyone already knew that with a inadequate presidential candidate who was not even vetting democractically but chose by the same elites who look like also being connected to all the fraud and dirty deeds.

While gaslighting the nation over Biden and the auto signing of a record number of people including known felons or those potentially who did wrong being shielded.

There is still more Dem states to be investigated and it looks like more fraud and corruption. In fact the biggest fraud scandel in US history.

Like I said I would be very careful about throwing stones. There is absolutely no moral ground and they have disqualified themselves as credible.

In fact their corruption and incompetence is so bad that this is why such drastic action is needed. Because this is a system wide breakdown. Its unreliable, untrustworthy and actually a national safety and security risk. Thus a complete restructuring is needed. We will see how low the Dems in power have gone with their dirty little secrets.
 
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Disapproval does not equal hate, does not equal attacks. He needs to be held to account for his damaging rhetoric and policies.
I am saying why was not this same level of fixation on holding Trump accountable was not applied to the ones making the complaints. They have no moral ground because they allowed the same thing and much, much, much worse happen under their watch.
 
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God has deemed that government has the obligation to put fear into the hearts of evil doers to protect its people. And even God makes allowances for killing of evil doers by the governement. This is why you should not get into a debate over Christian matters. You dont know enough. You only have an opinion. And in the matter of Christian law and teaching you are ignorant.
??? What is the relevant Christian law ?
 
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I am saying why was not this same level of fixation on holding Trump accountable was not applied to the ones making the complaints. They have no moral ground because they allowed the same thing and much, much, much worse happen under their watch.
I'm making a complaint against killing people in peril at sea. Who is it you want me to hold accountable before I can complain about that?
 
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I'm making a complaint against killing people in peril at sea. Who is it you want me to hold accountable before I can complain about that?
You keep making this strawman and false claim. Your begging the question. You don't know the details because you are not privy to the information.

Yet you make a truth claims that this is 'Killing' without that information. Thus showing your bias that you are willing to assumed and judge and condemn without the evidence. You assume guilt before we actually know.

That in itself disqualifies you. I cannot trust someone who is willing to presume something before it is actually established. It shows they will never be fair.
 
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You keep making this strawman and false claim. Your begging the question. You don't know the details because you are not privy to the information.

Yet you make a truth claims that this is 'Killing' without that information. Thus showing your bias that you are willing to assumed and judge and condemn without the evidence. You assume guilt before we actually know.

That in itself disqualifies you. I cannot trust someone who is willing to presume something before it is actually established. It shows they will never be fair.
What false claim? I didn't say murdered. Were they not killed, did they survive? Where have you read that? Are you arguing that the two survivors were not in peril at sea? Their boat was non-functional, I think no one is disputing that?
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/05/politics/suriname-boat-strike-bradley

At least I have prima facie reasons to believe the boat was functionally destroyed.

How does this relates to my question to you?
 
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What false claim? I didn't say murdered. Were they not killed, did they survive? Where have you read that? Are you arguing that the two survivors were not in peril at sea? Their boat was non-functional, I think no one is disputing that?
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/05/politics/suriname-boat-strike-bradley

At least I have prima facie reasons to believe the boat was functionally destroyed.

How does this relates to my question to you?
You implied murder. If it was truely unknown as to what happened then you would not frame it the way you did as though they have done something wrong.

Your using language "in peril at sea" implies innocent people were killed. When you don't know the context. This is not some boating accident but terrorist actively engaged in the transfer of drugs.
 
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You implied murder.
How?
If it was truely unknown as to what happened then you would not frame it the way you did as though they have done something wrong.

Your using language "in peril at sea" implies innocent people were killed. When you don't know the context. This is not some boating accident but terrorist actively engaged in the transfer of drugs.
Everyone that is in peril at sea, should be helped. Innocent or not.
 
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I am saying why was not this same level of fixation on holding Trump accountable was not applied to the ones making the complaints. They have no moral ground because they allowed the same thing and much, much, much worse happen under their watch.
Who is this They you are referring to? What was much much worse?

The GOP led by Comer spent years “investigating” Biden and his family, wasting time and money, to result in nothing.

Trump is frequently hateful in his rhetoric towards immigrants and those who don’t bow to kiss his ring- citizens who voted against him, Congress members who stand up to him, Governors who won’t bend to his will, political appointees who just want to do their job correctly, etc. He is the problem now and he will receive continued negativity reflected back at himself.
 
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