University of Minnesota on Whiteness Pandemic

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-29T08:37:00-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
That was how I felt reading the complaints about this group of academics, too.

If they were actual, non-biased academics, they would include analyzations of opposing research. Instead, they stick with one-sided persuasive language, and portray the topic as if it's backed with peer review. Which it is not.

Again, much of what is being called a "white pandemic can easily be flipped to explain a "black pandemic", so how can we be sure we're not dealing with a topic rooted in mere projectionism, by biased researchers, attempting to achieve a preconceived goal?

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-29T08:37:45-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
That was how I felt reading the complaints about this group of academics, too.

However, it are people lake those "group of academics" who perpetuate racism that divides the country, so Democrats can continue to cling onto power through identity politics.

BPPLEE · 2025-11-29T08:39:25-0600

DaisyDay said:
Brilliant refutation.

No praise is necessary

rambot · 2025-11-29T08:39:38-0600

Servus said:
He said the political culture of the state. It's technically a blue state. But the not the entre state is blue. Most of it is actually red.

Guy.
Him basing anything statewide on one ONE study group in ONE department in ONE university.

you're fixing deck chairs on the titanic. I mean, you really undermined his point even more.

rambot · 2025-11-29T08:44:04-0600

What's so fascinating is how a person can just be wrong.
I mean, people can disagree with a statement maybe because something seems distasteful...or unethical, immoral, unbiblical. That doesn't mean the fact is incorrect, it just means we disapprove of it.

But factually, a person can just be wrong.

Too often we cover up the fragility of being wrong by claiming the fact is incorrect instead of simply stating you disagree with the principle.

d taylor · 2025-11-29T08:48:28-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
That was how I felt reading the complaints about this group of academics, too.

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It has been 40 years for me being on a college campus. I am guessing i would last about a day on one now.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-29T08:50:12-0600

Blackness refers to culture not biology: the centuries-old culture of Blackness features hyperfocused race consciousness, defensive pride, and Black fragility, which are all covert expressions of reverse-racism common in the United States. Naming the Blackness Pandemic shifts our gaze from the victimhood ideology and effects of reverse-racism onto the systems that perpetrate and perpetuate reverse, black racism, starting with the family system. At birth, young children growing up in black families begin to be socialized into the culture of Blackness, making the family system one of the most powerful systems involved in systemic, reverse-racism.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-29T09:27:51-0600

Landon Caeli said:
If they were actual, non-biased academics, they would include analyzations of opposing research.

How do you know what they did or did not analyze? Did you read the papers they cited when compiling the page? Do you have a subscription to the American Psychologist journal or some other way around the paywall?

Oompa Loompa said:
However, it are people lake those "group of academics" who perpetuate racism that divides the country, so Democrats can continue to cling onto power through identity politics.

Yeah, because the white nationalists shouting “Jews will not replace us”, basing immigration policy on blatant bigotry, or trying to redefine “American” as being predominantly about birthplace and not adherence to a creed aren’t playing identity politics at all.

d taylor said:
It has been 40 years for me being on a college campus. I am guessing i would last about a day on one now.

Yeah, there’s a lot more stuff to cover these days. It’s hard keeping up when you’re older.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-29T09:54:22-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
How do you know what they did or did not analyze? Did you read the papers they cited when compiling the page? Do you have a subscription to the American Psychologist journal or some other way around the paywall?

Because there is no evidence that opposing viewpoints have ever been considered in any presentations of the theory, until after the concept was made public - by opposition groups. If the concept were balanced and forthcoming, analysis of opposing views would be documented alongside the findings, somewhere, and would be visible on the internet. But instead, they don't seem to exist:

AI Review:

Analysis of Opposing Viewpoints

The academic presentation of the "whiteness pandemic" theory primarily focuses on the mechanics of its own framework and related theories (such as White Racial Identity Development theory). However, when the concept has been discussed in a broader public context (notably through a University of Minnesota website that hosted the paper and related resources), significant opposing viewpoints have emerged, primarily from conservative groups and media outlets.
These opposing viewpoints argue that the theory:

Promotes collective guilt: Critics argue the theory effectively paints a large segment of white Americans as perpetuating racism simply by virtue of their birth and socialization, which they contend generates collective guilt.
Is "activist-academic scholarship": Conservative groups like Parents Defending Education claim the concept is an "absurd idea" and an example of "far-left programming" gaining undue legitimacy through academia.
Lacks generalizability: Backlash points to the original study's narrow, unrepresentative demographic (mostly liberal, high-income, well-educated white mothers from the Minneapolis area) to question the general applicability of its conclusions.
Is unscientific: Opponents view the premise of a "whiteness pandemic" as political or ideological rather than a rigorous, neutral scientific concept.

rambot · 2025-11-29T10:12:37-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Because there is no evidence that opposing viewpoints have ever been considered in any presentations of the theory, until after the concept was made public - by opposition groups. If the concept were balanced and forthcoming, analysis of opposing views would be documented alongside the findings, somewhere, and would be visible on the internet.

I'm not convinced you have a good grasp on what academic research looks like.

If you haven't ACTUALLY read, or at LEAST laid your eyes on the original study and have no idea what's in it, wouldn't that make all your critique of the ACTUAL work moot.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-29T10:22:23-0600

rambot said:
I'm not convinced you have a good grasp on what academic research looks like.

If you haven't ACTUALLY read, or at LEAST laid your eyes on the original study and have no idea what's in it, wouldn't that make all your critique of the ACTUAL work moot.

I shouldn't have to pour over the original manuscripts just to see where opposing viewpoints are analyzed. In any serious research, these things are always well documented and made available...

When they aren't made available, you know you're looking at psuedoscience, or worse - political/ideological activism disguised as academics.

rambot · 2025-11-29T10:29:41-0600

Landon Caeli said:
I shouldn't have to pour over the original manuscripts just to see where opposing viewpoints are analyzed. I

Uhm.
Yes you should.
If you want to make claims about something, you better look at it.

LOL!

How is THAT a though?

"I shouldn't have to read what I'm complaining about!"

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-29T10:35:00-0600

rambot said:
Uhm.
Yes you should.
If you want to make claims about something, you better look at it.

LOL!

How is THAT a though?

"I shouldn't have to read what I'm complaining about!"

Of course, you're defending something you haven't read, so what does that say?

DaisyDay · 2025-11-29T10:35:18-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Promotes collective guilt:

But don't you endorse that when you insist that all Gazans are responsible for HAMAS?

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-29T10:38:38-0600

DaisyDay said:
But don't you endorse that when you insist that all Gazans are responsible for HAMAS?

OT.

DaisyDay · 2025-11-29T11:07:52-0600

Landon Caeli said:
OT.

Don't you endorse that in general? Say for ethnicities?

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-29T11:30:00-0600

DaisyDay said:
Don't you endorse that in general? Say for ethnicities?

No! Not at all... However, in certain situations, with different factors, different opinions can arise. I cannot be all 'one-or-the-other' when extremely horrific statistics such as the following are real:

AI Overview

While specific polling data on the "percentage of Palestinians who had a negative view of Jews" immediately prior to October 7, 2023, is limited in the provided search results, a 2014 survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) found that 93% of Palestinians held anti-Semitic beliefs.

Support for the October 7th attack: Polls have shown that a majority of Palestinians consider Hamas's decision to launch the attack as "correct". This support has varied over time, peaking at around 72% in December 2023

Again, this is OT, but I feel compelled to set the record straight.

Belk · 2025-11-29T11:35:40-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Of course, you're defending something you haven't read, so what does that say?

Pointing out the flaws in your argument is not defending anything. It is pointing out you have a poor argument.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-29T11:54:02-0600

Belk said:
Pointing out the flaws in your argument is not defending anything. It is pointing out you have a poor argument.

Even though I searched the entire internet with AI?

I don't see why you're choosing to be so obtuse with this.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-29T12:00:31-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
"...basing immigration policy on blatant bigotry, or trying to redefine “American” as being predominantly about birthplace and not adherence to a creed aren’t playing identity politics at all."

What "creed" are you talking about? This rhetoric is the garbage that has been rejected by the United States, and many countries in Europe because they do not want to become like France, Great Britain, and Germany. The country has spoken, and they reject the CRI, DEI, woke trans ideology. Get over it! It is dying and the only thing you, and the Minisota academic elite can expect from it is another 4 years of Trump and a growing racial divide.

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