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Strong in Him · 2025-11-28T13:29:04-0600

Apple Sky said:
Are you 100% sure about this ?

Yes.

Jerry N. · 2025-11-28T13:31:23-0600

Apple Sky said:
What makes you so sure ?

I think I covered that in previous posts.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-28T13:52:16-0600

Jerry N. said:
I think I covered that in previous posts.

Yes - But you can't be 100% sure facts are accurate. Philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche said, 'There are no facts, only interpretations. ' And memories are flexible, fallible, and sometimes wrong. You literally reconstruct them every time.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-28T13:57:24-0600

Apple Sky said:
Yes - But you can't be 100% sure facts are accurate. Philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche said, 'There are no facts, only interpretations. ' And memories are flexible, fallible, and sometimes wrong.

??
But there are facts. Fire burns, water is wet and freezes at a certain temperature. Historical characters - Julius Caesar, Herod, Pontius Pilate, Henry VIII lived. You can't interpret those things.

And facts that can be proven are not memories.

Hentenza · 2025-11-28T14:09:20-0600

d taylor said:
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Science does nothing but lie about God's creation from the globe lie to the evolution lie and whatever future lies they come up with.

Nonsense

Hentenza · 2025-11-28T14:15:57-0600

Apple Sky said:
Yes - But you can't be 100% sure facts are accurate. Philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche said, 'There are no facts, only interpretations. ' And memories are flexible, fallible, and sometimes wrong. You literally reconstruct them every time.

The problem with Nietzsche is that he states his statement “There is no facts, only interpretations” as a fact to prove that facts do not exist. :doh:

Apple Sky · 2025-11-28T14:18:28-0600

Strong in Him said:
??
But there are facts. Fire burns, water is wet and freezes at a certain temperature. Historical characters - Julius Caesar, Herod, Pontius Pilate, Henry VIII lived. You can't interpret those things.

And facts that can be proven are not memories.

I know - Silly post

Apple Sky · 2025-11-28T14:19:36-0600

Hentenza said:
The problem with Nietzsche is that he states his statement “There is no facts, only interpretations” as a fact to prove that facts do not exist.

I know.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-28T14:34:41-0600

The Foundations are built onto the
Chief Cornerstone Jesus Christ,
structurally sound, on a flat plane.

Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of
you builders, which is become the head of the
corner.
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof
fastened? or who laid the cornerstone thereof;
Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried
stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation: he
that believeth shall not make haste.

Nobody has ever been in "space."
The lunar missions never happened.

John 3:13 And No man hath ascended up to heaven,
but he that came down from heaven, even the Son
of man which is in heaven.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or
descended?
Psa 24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the
LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?

Hentenza · 2025-11-28T14:56:23-0600

Apple Sky said:
The Foundations are built onto the
Chief Cornerstone Jesus Christ,
structurally sound, on a flat plane.

Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of
you builders, which is become the head of the
corner.
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof
fastened? or who laid the cornerstone thereof;
Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried
stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation: he
that believeth shall not make haste.

Nobody has ever been in "space."
The lunar missions never happened.

John 3:13 And No man hath ascended up to heaven,
but he that came down from heaven, even the Son
of man which is in heaven.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or
descended?
Psa 24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the
LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?

Space is not Heaven. Space is part of God’s creation that includes the planets and the stars. Heaven is where God has lived for eternity so Heaven is eternal.

David Lamb · 2025-11-29T01:40:06-0600

Apple Sky said:
The Foundations are built onto the
Chief Cornerstone Jesus Christ,
structurally sound, on a flat plane.

Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of
you builders, which is become the head of the
corner.
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof
fastened? or who laid the cornerstone thereof;
Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried
stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation: he
that believeth shall not make haste.

That seems to be taking bible verses out of their context. When Jesus is referred to as the chief cornerstone, it is in the context o His church, not the earth:

“19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief [cornerstone], 21 in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” (Eph 2:19-22 NKJV)

Nothing is said about the church or the earth being a flat plane.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T01:42:55-0600

The foundations of the earth are a
reality.

Psa 82:5 They know not, neither will they
understand; they walk on in darkness: all the
foundations of the earth are out of course.
Isa 24:18 ... and the foundations of the earth do
shake.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can
be measured, and the foundations of the earth
searched out beneath.
Psa 18:15 Then the channels of waters were seen,
and the foundations of the world were discovered at
thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of
thy nostrils.
2Sa 22:16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the
foundations of the world were discovered, at the
rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of
his nostrils.
Pro 8:29 ...that the waters should not pass his
commandment: when he appointed the foundations
of the earth.
Mic 6:2 Hear ye, O mountains, the LORD'S
controversy, and ye strong foundations of the earth
for the LORD hath a controversy with his people,
and he will plead with Israel.
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that
the waters should not pass his commandment: when
he appointed the foundations of the earth.
Zec 12:1 ...which stretcheth forth the heavens, and
layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the
spirit of man within him.
Isa 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of
the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the
heavens.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T01:48:25-0600

The earth is circular in shape, like a
compass.

Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain.
Job 38:14 The earth is changed as clay is by a seal; its
hills stand out like the folds of a garment.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Psa 88:17 They came round about me daily like
water; they compassed me about together.
Isa 44:13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he
marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes,
and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh
it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty
of a man; that it may remain in the house.

The Earth has borders. Antarctica is
an ice wall surrounding us.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the
gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and
God saw that it was good.
Psa 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together
as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and
spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it
brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but
no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Psa 74:17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth:
thou hast made summer and winter.
Psa 104:9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not
pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of
men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and

Strong in Him · 2025-11-29T01:50:06-0600

Apple Sky said:
The Foundations are built onto the
Chief Cornerstone Jesus Christ,
structurally sound, on a flat plane.

The foundation of the Gospel, church and Christian faith - NOT the earth.

Apple Sky said:
Nobody has ever been in "space."
The lunar missions never happened.

Space is not heaven.
You are calling all the eyewitnesses "liars", even the born again Christians. Yet when comments have been made about Dean Odel and the creator of that "200 verses" chart, your response has been, "rubbish, they are born again Christians."

It seems you will only believe born again Christians if they believe the same as you.
That means, for you, the beliefs that the earth is flat and the moon landings didn't happen are far more important than the fact that someone believes in Jesus and has received him as their Saviour.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-29T01:52:32-0600

Apple Sky said:
The earth is circular in shape, like a
compass.

Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain.
Job 38:14 The earth is changed as clay is by a seal; its
hills stand out like the folds of a garment.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Psa 88:17 They came round about me daily like
water; they compassed me about together.
Isa 44:13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he
marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes,
and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh
it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty
of a man; that it may remain in the house.

The Earth has borders. Antarctica is
an ice wall surrounding us.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the
gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and
God saw that it was good.
Psa 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together
as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and
spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it
brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but
no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Psa 74:17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth:
thou hast made summer and winter.
Psa 104:9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not
pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of
men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and

Stop taking random verses out of context to make the Bible say what you want it to say.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T01:56:25-0600

David Lamb said:
That seems to be taking bible verses out of their context. When Jesus is referred to as the chief cornerstone, it is in the context o His church, not the earth:

“19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief [cornerstone], 21 in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” (Eph 2:19-22 NKJV)

King James Bible
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Job 38:4

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T01:59:28-0600

Strong in Him said:
Stop taking random verses out of context to make the Bible say what you want it to say.

It's not me saying it.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T02:05:04-0600

The whole earth is visible from
singular high altitude perspectives,
without refraction.

Job 28:24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth,
and seeth under the whole heaven.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will
draw all men unto me.
Dan 4:11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the
height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight
thereof to the end of all the earth.
Dan 4:20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew,
and was strong, whose height reached unto the
heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth.
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an
exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the
kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them.
Luk 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high
mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the
world in a moment of time.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every
eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of
him. Even so, Amen.
Isa 40:5 And the glory of the LORD shall be
revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the
mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

The dimensions of the earth are
unknown.

Job 38:18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the
earth? Declare if thou knowest it all.
Pro 25:3 The heaven for height, and the earth for
depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.
Job 38:5 Who fixed its dimensions? Certainly you
know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can
be measured, and the foundations of the earth
searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed
of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

David Lamb · 2025-11-29T02:05:58-0600

Apple Sky said:
The earth is circular in shape, like a
compass.

Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.

Setting a compass on the face of the deep doesn't mean that the earth is circular.

Apple Sky said:
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain.

For the umpteenth time you quote this verse as though it said, "It is he that sitteth upon the
earth, and the earth is a circle." The verse does not say that. It says that the Lord sits on the circle, compass or circuit of the earth, so the earth has a circle. Spheres have circles. The earth's equator is one. "The circle of the earth" does not mean the same thing as "The earth is a circle." If somebody visited you at home, they could say, "I visited the home of Apple Sky." Nobody would think he or she meant, "Apple Sky is a home," would they? So why do you twist Isaiah's words, "The circle of the earth" to make them mean, "The earth is a circle?"

Apple Sky said:
Job 38:14 The earth is changed as clay is by a seal; its
hills stand out like the folds of a garment.

Once again, you have missed the context, which is the coming of the dawn, whose light causes the features of the earth to be clearly seen.

Apple Sky said:
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

True, but that says nothing about the earth's shape.

Apple Sky said:
Psa 88:17 They came round about me daily like
water; they compassed me about together.

Again, nothing about the earth's shape.

Apple Sky said:
Isa 44:13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he
marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes,
and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh
it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty
of a man; that it may remain in the house.

Once more, nothing about the earth's shape.

Apple Sky said:
The Earth has borders. Antarctica is
an ice wall surrounding us.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the
gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and
God saw that it was good.
Psa 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together
as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and
spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it
brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but
no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Psa 74:17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth:
thou hast made summer and winter.
Psa 104:9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not
pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of
men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and

None of those verses even mention an ice wall that surrounds the earth, or Antarctica. Indeed neither of those things is even mentioned in the bible.

David Lamb · 2025-11-29T02:10:11-0600

Apple Sky said:
King James Bible
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Job 38:4

How does that verse answer my post? I wrote that when Jesus is called the Chief Cornerstone, the context shows that He is the Cornerstone of His church. You answer with a verse from Job, not about the church, or Jesus, but about the earth.

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