Will Russiagate scandal forever taint Obama’s legacy?

The Barbarian · Aug 7, 2025

lifepsyop said:
they already got one guy on FISA warrant fraud, going after the Trump admin.

they got the FBI lead investigator texting how they were going to "stop Trump".

they got IC heads knowingly pushing false intelligence, which are the latest revelations.

But you can't document anything like the kind of collusion people got convicted of doing in Russiagate? Hint; links with evidence would help your case.

After all, we have Trump publicly ordering his followers to go to the Capitol to stop the certification of the election. That's why he got impeached. Your diversion needs a little more substance. As more information comes out about Trump and Epstein, Trump is losing support. A lot of MAGA people will put up with a lot, but not pedophilia. It's going to get worse.

A New Dawn · Aug 7, 2025

The Barbarian said:
After all, we have Trump publicly ordering his followers to go to the Capitol to stop the certification of the election. That's why he got impeached. Your diversion needs a little more substance. As more information comes out about Trump and Epstein, Trump is losing support. A lot of MAGA people will put up with a lot, but not pedophilia. It's going to get worse.

No, we don’t. Please link anything that shows Trump ordered his people to the capitol to stop the certification. He said to go PEACEFULLY and PATRIOTICALLY to make your voices heard and see if the republicans will listen. IT WAS A PROTEST. Nothing more, nothing less.

Trump is not losing support. That is desperation by the left speaking.

The Barbarian · Aug 7, 2025

A New Dawn said:
No, we don’t. Please link anything that shows Trump ordered his people to the capitol to stop the certification. He said to go PEACEFULLY and PATRIOTICALLY to make your voices heard and see if the republicans will listen. IT WAS A PROTEST. Nothing more, nothing less.

He told them to go and "fight like hell." They did. The criminals who attempted to overturn the election readily admitted that they were following Trump's orders. He rewarded them with pardons. No point in denial.

A New Dawn said:
Trump is not losing support.

Well, let's take a look.

President Donald Trump's approval rating is falling "most substantially" among men, a pollster has said.

According to a survey by the University of Massachusetts Amherst (UMass Amherst), Trump's approval rating among this demographic has dropped from 48 percent in April to 39 percent in July.

These results, said Jesse Rhodes, co-director of the poll, show "that support for Trump has deteriorated most substantially among" men.

Donald Trump's approval rating falling 'most substantially' with men

The President's approval rating has declined among this demographic from 48 percent in April to 39 percent in July, says a survey.

www.newsweek.com

Pedophilia is just too much for many of his supporters. He needs to come clean about the Epstein files. As Laura Loomer said, this could undo his presidency.

Loomer delivers searing warning: Epstein could ‘consume’ Trump presidency

The president has tried to tamp down the rebellion among his supporters.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/16/trump-epstein-maga-anger-00456207

A New Dawn said:
That is desperation by the left speaking.

Someone is desperate. And so far, none of the diversions are working.

lifepsyop · Aug 7, 2025

The Barbarian said:
But you can't document anything like the kind of collusion people got convicted of doing in Russiagate? Hint; links with evidence would help your case.

plenty of documentation.

here's the official declassified whistleblower testimony that the IC was knowingly pushing false intel in order to cook up Trump-Russia collusion.

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/DIG/DIG-Declassified-Whistleblower-Testimony-Obama-Subvert-President-Trump-July2025.pdf

Highlights of the Whistleblower’s firsthand account here:

Statements from the Whistleblower’s supervisor pressuring the Whistleblower to accept the contrived January 2017 ICA’s findings despite expressing concerns about the discredited information used to support those findings – an action that the Whistleblower's supervisor said would be necessary for the Whistleblower to receive a promotion
The Whistleblower’s refusal to accept and concur with the January 2017 ICA findings, stating, “I could not concur in good conscience based on information available” that Russia preferred then-candidate Trump in 2016.
The Whistleblower’s concerns about flawed intelligence practices, namely selectively using open-source references to Russian media as “evidence” for the Russian government’s support for Trump, while ignoring foreign media from other nations, including NATO allies, that denigrated Trump and supported Hillary Clinton.
The Whistleblower’s repeated attempts to report concerns about the false information used in the January 2017 ICA to multiple government officials, including the IC Inspector General.

so... this is evidence that the Obama IC was knowingly using false information to subvert the newly elected POTUS
in other words, subverting the government itself, i.e. treason.

The Barbarian · Aug 7, 2025

lifepsyop said:
Highlights of the Whistleblower’s firsthand account here:

The Whistleblower’s refusal to accept and concur with the January 2017 ICA findings, stating, “I could not concur in good conscience based on information available” that Russia preferred then-candidate Trump in 2016.

Since the CIA has recordings of Russian intelligence officers celebrating Trump's victory, your guy clearly messed up. He just got it wrong, and seems pretty annoyed that he was told so.

lifepsyop said:
The Whistleblower’s concerns about flawed intelligence practices, namely selectively using open-source references to Russian media as “evidence” for the Russian government’s support for Trump, while ignoring foreign media from other nations, including NATO allies, that denigrated Trump and supported Hillary Clinton.

Can you show us where our NATO allies sent agents to flood social media with support for Clinton as opposed to the Russian intelligence services doing that for Trump?

Notice that the Russian media support for Trump was not presented as part of the collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Nor would news media from friendly nations be considered so.

The Barbarian · Aug 7, 2025

lifepsyop said:
so... this is evidence that the Obama IC was knowingly using false information to subvert the newly elected POTUS
in other words, subverting the government itself, i.e. treason.

Your story would be more believable if you could show Obama or anyone else from the WH taking part in things this agent is alleging. And as you probably don't know, in America, treason is rather tightly defined. Precisely because dictatorships such as exist in Russia use treason as a catchall for "we don't like that guy." Pretty much the way you used it here. The founders anticipated that guys like Trump and Putin would come along.

You might want to look up what treason actually is, in America. As a diversion from Trump's Epstein problems, this one is a loser for you.

lifepsyop · Aug 7, 2025

The Barbarian said:
Since the CIA has recordings of Russian intelligence officers celebrating Trump's victory, your guy clearly messed up. He just got it wrong, and seems pretty annoyed that he was told so.

He messed up for taking a stand against his boss wanting to use fake info against Trump?

I guess that's why you're not in the intelligence business. Any particular Russian officers being happy that Trump won is not even close to evidence of anything. Can you really blame anyone for not wanting to listen to Hillary Clinton's shrill voice for the next 4 years of their lives?

on the other hand:

Peter Sztrok (who lead the FBI investigation into 2016 Russian collusion) was found to be privately professing his hatred for Trump and vowing to 'stop him'

according to you, this is clearly a high enough standard of proof that leaders of the intelligence community were working to subvert incoming President Trump, at least to warrant a full investigation.

lifepsyop · Aug 7, 2025

The Barbarian said:
Your story would be more believable if you could show Obama or anyone else from the WH taking part in things this agent is alleging. And as you probably don't know, in America, treason is rather tightly defined. Precisely because dictatorships such as exist in Russia use treason as a catchall for "we don't like that guy." Pretty much the way you used it here. The founders anticipated that guys like Trump and Putin would come along.

You might want to look up what treason actually is, in America. As a diversion from Trump's Epstein problems, this one is a loser for you.

Treason is defined as, among other things, an attempt to overthrow one's own government.

Using or manufacturing knowingly false intelligence in order to frame the head of state for a high crime (thus overthrowing the head of government), would clearly fall under the category of treason.

And it's the current Director of National Intelligence herself who is alleging Treason.

The Barbarian · Aug 7, 2025

lifepsyop said:
Treason is defined as, among other things, an attempt to overthrow one's own government.

Maybe in Russia. Not in the United States. Trump's mob that attacked the Capitol were guilty of insurrection, but not treason. Try again?

As I said, the Founders, knowing guys like Trump would come along, were very careful to limit what treason is.

lifepsyop said:
Using or manufacturing knowingly false intelligence in order to frame the head of state for a high crime (thus overthrowing the head of government), would clearly fall under the category of treason.

No. In a dictatorship, where the leader is the state, that might be so. But not in America.

lifepsyop said:
And it's the current Director of National Intelligence herself who is alleging Treason.

And she's special, right?

Three weeks after Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard tried to discredit Donald Trump’s Russia scandal and started throwing around words like “treason,” the conspiratorial DNI has certainly succeeded in generating some conversation.

On the one hand, Republicans and conservative media outlets have seized on Gabbard’s accusations as proof that the entire controversy surrounding the president and Russia’s efforts in support of his 2016 candidacy is a “hoax.” On the other hand, every independent analysis of Gabbard’s findings have pointed in the opposite direction: There was no “hoax”; the underlying scandal remains real; and the DNI’s claims are “ludicrous.”

For one thing, we’ve known about that National Security Council meeting for years. It was discussed in some detail in the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee’s report, and as Media Matters’ Matt Gertz explained, the GOP-led panel didn’t find anything remarkable about Obama’s instructions.

On the contrary, the committee reviewed the assessment that Obama sought and concluded that it was “coherent and well-constructed,” featuring “proper analytic tradecraft,” and that its authors experienced “no politically motivated pressure to reach specific conclusions.”

Pressed for evidence on her conspiracy theories, Gabbard falls embarrassingly short

Fox News offered the director of national intelligence an opportunity to bolster her bizarre “treason” allegations. She responded with a big nothingburger.

www.msnbc.com

lifepsyop · Aug 7, 2025

The Barbarian said:
Maybe in Russia. Not in the United States. Trump's mob that attacked the Capitol were guilty of insurrection, but not treason. Try again?

As I said, the Founders, knowing guys like Trump would come along, were very careful to limit what treason is.

No. In a dictatorship, where the leader is the state, that might be so. But not in America.

Uh huh, so your argument is that overthrowing the executive branch of the government doesn't make one a treasonous enemy of that government?

Good luck with that angle. Go ahead, talk about the founders some more.

The Barbarian said:
And she's special, right?

Three weeks after Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard tried to discredit Donald Trump’s Russia scandal and started throwing around words like “treason,” the conspiratorial DNI has certainly succeeded in generating some conversation.

On the one hand, Republicans and conservative media outlets have seized on Gabbard’s accusations as proof that the entire controversy surrounding the president and Russia’s efforts in support of his 2016 candidacy is a “hoax.” On the other hand, every independent analysis of Gabbard’s findings have pointed in the opposite direction: There was no “hoax”; the underlying scandal remains real; and the DNI’s claims are “ludicrous.”

For one thing, we’ve known about that National Security Council meeting for years. It was discussed in some detail in the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee’s report, and as Media Matters’ Matt Gertz explained, the GOP-led panel didn’t find anything remarkable about Obama’s instructions.

On the contrary, the committee reviewed the assessment that Obama sought and concluded that it was “coherent and well-constructed,” featuring “proper analytic tradecraft,” and that its authors experienced “no politically motivated pressure to reach specific conclusions.”

Pressed for evidence on her conspiracy theories, Gabbard falls embarrassingly short

Fox News offered the director of national intelligence an opportunity to bolster her bizarre “treason” allegations. She responded with a big nothingburger.

www.msnbc.com

oh a "GOP-led panel"

that settles it.

we don't even know what intel they did or didn't look at. it's meaningless.

(not to mention, many, if not most, Republicans are establishment neocons who hate an outsider candidate like Trump almost as much as they hate Russia.)

The Barbarian · Aug 7, 2025

lifepsyop said:
Uh huh, so your argument is that overthrowing the executive branch of the government doesn't make one a treasonous enemy of that government?

If attempting to overthrow a branch of the federal government was treason, Trump would be guilty of treason. He was impeached for trying to overthrow the legislative branch. But that's not treason. Why don't you look up what it is, in the U.S.?

lifepsyop said:
Go ahead, talk about the founders some more.

Probably doesn't mean much to you. But here in America, they are revered as very wise and careful people.

lifepsyop said:
oh a "GOP-led panel"

that settles it.

So now you think the republicans are in on the great plot against Donald?

lifepsyop said:
(not to mention, many, if not most, Republicans are establishment neocons who hate an outsider candidate like Trump almost as much as they hate Russia.)

They don't hate you guys. And they just think Russia would be better off with honest and democratically-elected leadership.

The Barbarian · Aug 8, 2025

Michie said:
Russiagate is one of the most significant scandals in American history,

Second only to Watergate and Iran-Contra. At least eight Trump underlings convicted or pleading guilty in the collusion with Russia to help Trump win election.

Yes, Trump pardoned most of them. But they are still criminals. So is Trump. But he's dredging up anything he can to distract his followers from his actions with his pal Jeffery Epstein.

It's not working...

Nearly half of Americans believe Trump was ‘involved with Epstein’s crimes’, new poll finds

Trump’s overall job approval as president sits at 40 percent, the poll found.

New poll finds half of Americans believe Trump was ‘involved with Epstein’s crimes’

Trump’s overall job approval as president sits at 40 percent, the poll found.

www.the-independent.com

He needs to come clean about what went on. What could be worse than the beating he's taking in public opinion?

Assuming he's not actually guilty as the public thinks he is.

eclipsenow · Aug 12, 2025

Will Russiagate scandal forever taint Obama’s legacy?

Nope. But this whole Weapon of Mass Distraction WILL taint Trump's. Just like ordering the National Guard into Washington. It's his regular pattern of creating drama - because his NPD compels him to create situations where he is the centre of attention. But only for slideshows he can control. ANYTHING but the main event - the Epstein files

The Barbarian · Aug 15, 2025

lifepsyop said:
here's a breakdown of guilty pleas

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/09/643444815/all-the-criminal-charges-to-emerge-so-far-from-robert-muellers-investigation
they are basically almost all perjury traps (making false statements to FBI or Congress). If it was anything impressive, you would eagerly highlight the damning guilt of conspiracy, but you know that wouldn't work well for your case.

"It's always the cover-up that gets you caught." -Richard Nixon

They only got Al Capone for tax evasion. But things like Trump's national security advisor lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian agents is a pretty serious crime, don't you think?

The Barbarian · 2025-11-11T14:32:05-0600

Michie said:
Russiagate is one of the most significant scandals in American history,

Yes, Mueller took down a lot of criminal associates of Trump, including his campaign manager, his national security advisor, his lawyer and about a dozen others. Trump pardoned most of them, of course, for reasons that are obvious. But they are still criminals.

The Barbarian · 2025-11-11T14:37:14-0600

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eclipsenow said:
Just like ordering the National Guard into Washington. It's his regular pattern of creating drama - because his NPD compels him to create situations where he is the centre of attention. But only for slideshows he can control. ANYTHING but the main event - the Epstein files

Yes, he's thrashing around, hoping something sticks. But things aren't going so well for him. And his vendetta just hit another wall recently:

ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — A federal judge on Wednesday ordered prosecutors in the criminal case of former FBI Director James Comey to produce to defense lawyers a trove of materials from the investigation, saying he was concerned the Justice Department’s position had been to “indict first” and investigate second.

Magistrate Judge William Fitzpatrick instructed prosecutors to produce by the end of the day on Thursday grand jury materials and other evidence that investigators seized during the investigation. The order followed arguments in which Comey’s attorneys said they were at a disadvantage because they had not been able to yet review information that was collected years ago as part of an investigation into FBI media leaks.

Comey, who attended the hearing but did not speak, is charged with lying to Congress in 2020 in a case filed days after President Donald Trump appeared to urge his attorney general to prosecute the former FBI director and other perceived political enemies. Comey has pleaded not guilty, and his lawyers have argued that it’s a vindictive prosecution brought at the direction of the Republican president and must be dismissed.

eclipsenow · 2025-11-11T15:40:43-0600

Michie said:
Russiagate is one of the most significant scandals in American history, and it totally shatters the media-manufactured myth of Barack Obama.

It sure is - in Trump's mind.
But that mind is clouded by NPD - and should not be trusted.
Rather than this "Trumped-up" tactic, it's time for the 25th on Trump himself.
He's not fit for office.

The Barbarian · 2025-11-11T16:52:10-0600

Criminals indicted, convicted, pleading guilty, and/or pardoned in the Russiagate scandal;

On February 20, a federal judge sentenced Stone to serve 40 months in prison for convictions on charges of making false statements witness tampering, and obstruction in connection with the Russia probe.
In March, Special Counsel Robert Mueller submitted the final report on his nearly two-year investigation to the Department of Justice.
Since 2017, Mueller has investigated Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, and whether the Trump campaign collaborated with Moscow to tilt the race in Trump's favor.
So far, Mueller's team has charged eight Americans once affiliated with Trump's campaign or administration, 13 Russian nationals, 12 Russian intelligence officers, three Russian companies, and two other people with federal crimes.
Here's everyone who's been charged, convicted, and sentenced in the Mueller probe so far.

Here's everyone who has been charged, convicted, and sentenced in the Russia probe so far

A federal judge sentenced Roger Stone to serve 40 months in prison for his convictions on making false statements, obstruction, and witness tampering.

www.businessinsider.com

Quite a haul. Trump wasn't indicted, according to Robert Mueller, because Justice Department policy rules out indicting a sitting president.

Explained: Why Robert Mueller Couldn’t Indict Trump, Despite 10 Obstruction Incidents

Detailed in his report were 10 instances that Democrats have alleged to be obstruction of justice and amount to impeachable offenses. Included among those 10 instances were efforts by Trump to thwart Mueller's probe by ordering those under him to have the special counsel removed from his post. Mueller determined that Trump was unsuccessful in influencing the 22-month-long investigation largely because the president's aides refused to carry out his orders.

Mueller later told lawmakers that Trump could be charged with obstruction once he leaves office.

Why Mueller Couldn't Indict Trump Despite 10 Obstruction Incidents

The former special counsel reiterated that longstanding legal opinion by the Justice Department prohibits the indictment of sitting presidents.

www.newsweek.com

In spite of Trump's pardons for many of these criminals, the scandal remains one of the most serious cases of corruption within a presidential administration.

Vambram · 2025-11-11T18:22:39-0600

The Barbarian said:
Yes, Mueller took down a lot of criminal associates of Trump, including his campaign manager, his national security advisor, his lawyer and about a dozen others. Trump pardoned most of them, of course, for reasons that are obvious. But they are still criminals.

The Mueller investigation was the weaponization and lawfare of the justice systems.

The Barbarian · 2025-11-11T19:50:24-0600

Yes, Mueller took down a lot of criminal associates of Trump, including his campaign manager, his national security advisor, his lawyer and about a dozen others. Trump pardoned most of them, of course, for reasons that are obvious. But they are still criminals.

Vambram said:
The Mueller investigation was the weaponization and lawfare of the justice systems.

Juries disagreed with you. So did many of the perps, who took plea deals. No point in denial. There was widespread collusion; even Trump's National Security Advisor lied to the FBI about his contacts with Russian agents. Over a dozen people caught during the investigation. It is one of the worst scandals in American history.

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