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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

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lol I forgot there are certain trigger words. Like a word suddenly is what makes reality. Just mention the word and it all reality becomes the word. Like the word has magic powers.
Not about "trigger words" its about you sloppy writing. If you don't mean "new age sprituality" don't use the term "newage" in a context where it could be confused with what you mean. Read your posts.
Never considering that the word obviously has more than one meaning and when spoken was not necessarily the meaning the reciever thought. Which suggests that words themselves are just the subjective beliefs of the sender and reciever. Nothing objective.
Bad writing is your problem. Do better.
What I meant by Newage was the religions of today. Not some mystical meaning 20 years ago like those of Mother earth and crystals lol. Though the core of the belief has similar aspects like turning nature into spirits or gods.
I'm willing to bundle them in the same rejected pile (oh, wait I have) and dismiss their claims. Are you?
I meant that people still make spirits and gods today of nature and reality. Whether its a new religion, a modernised pagan belief, worshipping Gurus or whatever thing that is made spirit or ideol worship or god. Its inherent in humans and real. These are all expressions of the same phenomena.
So you really did mean "New Age" after all. Sigh.

I don't think I can reply to any more of this unending post.
 
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Have you found the gun yet ;) we know what sort of gun and even the bullets from the hole in the wall it went though and the marks it left. Just havn't found that gun yet. Oh well I guess we will just have to conclude there never was a gun.

But, as @Stopped_lurking points out, we have no gun to compare it to. If such advanced tech existed before it should have, how can it be compared to something except only to something that exists today? Again: if you want to make the claim for advanced technology that shouldn't have existed back then, your so-called and aptly named 'smoking gun', then we need the evidence of the technology itself existing. The tech needs to be physically found before anyone in the wider scientific community or even the layman's world can even accept what you say on the matter as something worth considering.
 
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I was looking backward for something else you posted and this reminded me of my favorite fictional exploration of this theme:

  • Fry: Incredible. This place is just like the Ancient Egypt of my day.
    High Priest: That is no coincidence. For our people visited your Egypt thousands of years ago.
    Fry: I knew it! Insane theories, one; regular theories, a billion.
    High Priest: We learned many things from the mighty Egyptians, such as pyramid-building, space travel and how to prepare our dead so as to scare Abbott and Costello.

Single best joke in Futurama.
 
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Ok so theres one piece of advanced knowledge that is out of place. Way earlier than the orthodox narrative was saying. I think the same study found similar molded blocks on earlier pyramids. So this could go back even earlier. Now we can find other examples.
Since this will not go away lets look at this forensically which I know a thing or two about in the automotive industry.

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The casing stone has a visible front and side face and the immediate question which arises if it is composed of a moulded piece of limestone concrete why is the front face smooth and the side face coarse? It is possible their casting tool produced this type of finish but why would the ancient Egyptians go to all this trouble? From an engineering design perspective it serves no useful purpose.

If however the casing was abrasion cut, stone pounded, chiselled with copper tools and abrasion smoothed it makes perfect sense, the front face underwent a final smoothing process with finer grit as it is the visible face to convey the aesthetic value of the pyramid, the side faces remained coarse as they are not visible.

The next point is the hydrochloric drop test which I mentioned in an off the cuff way in a previous post. It turns out to playing a major factor in refuting the moulded limestone concrete hypothesis.


Did the Egyptians cast the casing stones like concrete?​


Joseph Davidovits (1970s–2000s) proposed that the outer casing blocks of the Great Pyramid were not quarried but cast in place from a kind of limestone geopolymer, a reconstituted “concrete” made by dissolving soft limestone with natron and lime, then moulding it into blocks.


That hypothesis has been tested many times by geologists, mineralogists, and Egyptologists.




1. HCl Reactivity Test – Direct Evidence for Natural Limestone


ObservationGeopolymer ExpectationActual Observation
Reaction with dilute HClWeak or uneven fizzing — geopolymers are bound by aluminosilicate gel, not pure CaCO₃Vigorous, uniform effervescence, identical to natural calcite-rich limestone
ResultSuggests synthetic binding matrix (if artificial)Shows crystalline calcite structure, not amorphous binder

Explanation:
If the casing stones were made from a chemically recombined limestone slurry, the calcium carbonate would not crystallize in the same interlocking matrix found in natural sedimentary limestone. Instead, it would have amorphous or microcrystalline binding phases, with much weaker and patchier HCl reaction.
Geologists have applied the HCl drop test on both casing fragments and core samples — all respond exactly like natural limestone from the nearby Tura quarries.




2. Petrographic and Mineralogical Studies


Independent geologists (notably Dietrich & Rosemarie Klemm, 1993, 2008) performed thin-section microscopy and X-ray diffraction:


  • The grain structures, fossils, and cementation within the pyramid limestones match the stratigraphy of the Tura and Giza formations perfectly.
  • They show biogenic microfossils, foraminifera, and oolitic textures typical of Eocene marine limestone — impossible to reproduce by chemical reconstitution.
  • No evidence of amorphous aluminosilicate binder or reaction rims typical of geopolymers.

Thus, the stones are unmistakably natural.




⚗️ 3. Stable Isotope Analysis (δ¹³C and δ¹⁸O)


Geopolymer fabrication using dissolved limestone and natron would reset isotopic signatures due to recrystallization.
Yet isotope ratios of casing samples match those of unaltered natural limestone from Tura — showing no sign of chemical reformation.




4. Textural and Tool Evidence


  • Quarry tool marks remain visible at the Tura quarry faces where casing stones were cut and removed.
  • Some unfinished casing blocks at Giza show chisel dressing, wedge marks, and lever sockets, not mould seams.
  • The Great Pyramid’s casing blocks are dimensionally consistent with quarry-cut blocks, not cast pours — each with bedding orientation consistent with quarry strata.



5. Conclusion: HCl Tests and Geology Refute the Geopolymer Claim


Evidence TypePrediction if CastActual ResultVerdict
HCl reactivityWeak/non-uniform fizzStrong, uniformNatural limestone
PetrographyAmorphous binder, no fossilsSedimentary fabric, fossilsNatural limestone
IsotopesReset by dissolution/reprecipitationUnaltered natural ratiosNatural limestone
Quarry tracesAbsentAbundantQuarried
Structural orientationRandomMatches geological beddingQuarried



Scholarly Sources​


  1. Klemm, D. & Klemm, R. The Stones of the Pyramids: Provenance of the Building Stones of the Old Kingdom Monuments in Egypt. (Berlin: De Gruyter, 2008) — detailed petrographic and isotopic data confirming Tura limestone origin.
  2. Harrell, J.A. “Archaeological Geology of the Giza Plateau.” Geoarchaeology (2004).
  3. Stocks, D.A. Experiments in Egyptian Archaeology (2003) — demonstrates quarrying and dressing with copper tools.
  4. Davidovits, J. (1990, 2009) — proposes the opposing geopolymer theory, but data inconsistent with observed mineralogy.



Summary Statement:


The simple HCl acid test, combined with petrographic, isotopic, and field evidence, conclusively demonstrates that the Great Pyramid’s core and casing stones are natural limestones quarried and dressed, not moulded geopolymers or artificial concrete. The effervescent reaction with hydrochloric acid alone is one of the clearest and earliest field indicators confirming their carbonate, sedimentary origin.


 
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