Just so you know, Sister, I opened this thread hoping to hear how sinners feel the weekly threshold from the world’s noise into God’s sanctuary—stories, struggles, small victories.
But shouldn't we be seeking what comes with the power of God's blessings Exo20:11 Isa56:2 and sanctification Gen2:3 Eze20:12 and by His direction? Exo20:8-11 Lev23:3 and the examples of Jesus and the apostles? Luke 4:16 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 and what continues on Isa66:23
Seems like what we have been warned about 2 Timothy 3:5
Instead we’ve cycled through the same Hebrews-4 talking-points that every SDA training manual prints.
I believe you were the one who brought up Hebrews 4. Can you please show me the training manuals from the SDA as I am unaware of them, I went by Scripture only, if you disagree you are free to make a Scriptural argument. The only training manual I have is through prayerfully studying God's Word. I have been studying this passage for a long time, I only went through a tiny bit, there are a lot of OT references that if reading in context would not come to the conclusion we can break God's Sabbath or the rest Christ gives violates the 4th commandment. It's what those who came before us is referring to and why they never entered their rest into Canaan. I can show this to you by the Scriptures, but it doesn't seem like you are interested.
I’m content to let the conversation rest there.
I can understand. It’s hard to kick against the goads. I can move on after this post, unless you wish to continue.
For the record: my hope is not in calendar-keeping but in Christ’s finished work; the Lord’s Day is the gate He opens, not the merit I offer.
The Lords Day is the Sabbath Isa58:13 Mark 2:28 it always was always will be. I believe we need to let God speak for Himself, He doesn't need our help. We are told not to add or go away from what is not in God's holy word,. Isa8:20 Pro30:5-6 If anyone would know, what is God's holy day, would it not be God Himself? He was not silent on this matter. Its the same God all throughout the Bible. Mal3:6 Heb13:8 He could not have been more clearer on this topic. It is in His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18
I could never keep things perfectly to try and prove I am in.
Faith is the key the Holy Spirit gives, and that same Spirit holds the key for me, because such a task can only be in God’s hands.
The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin 1 John3:4 James2:11, righteousness Psa119:172 Isa56:1-2 and judgement James 2:11-12 Rev11:18-19 Ecc12:13-14 Mat5:19-30 Rev11:18-19 Rev22:14-15 which are all connected to God's Ten Commandments. Faith has never voided the law, it establishes it Rom3:31 Why Jesus said: Luke 6:46-49 and the Holy Spirit is given through our love and wiliness to keep His commandments John14:15-18 and resides with those who obey Acts5:32
Got to be very careful with too many rules—always been an issue with humans.
Which one of these " human rules" that God wrote and spoke is asking too much of man? Can you point out where God of the Universe is human? He very much claimed this unit as His Deut4:13 Exo31:18 Exo20:6, and He is not human. They are all about how to love and worship God and fostering our relationship with Him and how to love our neighbor. If everyone was keeping them the way Jesus explained Mat5:19-30 as they are exceedingly broad Psa119:96 there would be no more sin in the world.
Exo20:1
And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [
a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods
before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness
of anything that
is in heaven above, or that
is in the earth beneath, or that
is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [
b]serve them. For I,
the Lord your God, am a jealous
God, visiting[
c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth
generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those
who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of
the Lord your God in vain,
for the Lord will not hold
him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day
is the Sabbath
of the Lord your God.
In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who
is within your gates. 11 For
in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that
is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore
the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that
is your neighbor’s.”
As we are told, not everyone wants to live in a world with no more sin, why there is a condemnation John3:19-21
I am more than happy to enjoy the peace that Christ gives to those around me and myself: to step into a church, hear the voices sing “oh praise Him…,” then hear the Shepherd speak “oh praise Him…,” and depart into the week with love for our Lord God—not because we earned His favor, but because we love Him as Saviour and God.
This is what God says on how to love Him:
Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and
keep My commandments.
John14:15 “If you love Me,
keep My commandments.
I think we have all experienced relationships where our partner does what they feel is love and not what we ask. I think we can fall into similar traps with God as well.
And how to have peace:
Psa 119:165
Great peace have those who love Your law,
And [
a]nothing causes them to stumble.
Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded
My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
We are also told
Pro 14:12 There is a way
that seems right to a man, But its end
is the way of death.
Why I am a big believer in allowing God's Word to speak for Itself and change our life around His Word Psa119:105 not change the bible to suit our life Pro30:5-6
May you know that same rest, and may His name be praised by all who cross from profane time into His holy assembly—whether on Saturday, Sunday, or finally in the eternal eighth day.
Can you quote the Scripture where it says the eternal 8th day, I think this is another man-made idea. God created 7 days Gen2:1-3 and told us how to keep these 7 days Exo20:8-11 so obviously there is a misunderstanding of what the 8th day is. I'll give you an example, Jesus was in the wilderness sequential 40 days, it doesn't make the workweek 40 days now, many of those were days 1-6 and the others the seventh day or the Sabbath. God in His own words said the Sabbath continues on for worship in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa66:22-23, nothing about an enteral 8th day anywhere.
Regarding the day doesn't matter, I can't help but wonder if Eve used this same reasoning, what difference is one tree from another. Its not about the day itself, its about the power behind who is asking and what it represents. We are told whoever we obey is who we serve (worship) Rom6:16, end times comes down to the battle of worship you can see this in Rev13 & Rev14. Jesus in His own words defined what false worship is Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 and we see this in Rev14:11 which the next verse gives the solution or antidote Rev14:12
Grace to you.
Have a great day/night
Bye for now.
I wish you well, truly and blessings.
