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Today at 03:19 AM GraftMeIn said this in Post #19



No one gets special treatment God loves us each the same. Even you!
I´d rather get the treatment Thomas got.


Oh but Jesus did give you an invitation, It is written in Gods Word, You just haven't opened it up and read it yet. And by what you've said here, I guess you will also understand why God tells us in His Word not to trust in others, but only in Him. He will teach you the truth himself if you ask him to.

I am a very old fashioned guy, and rely heavily on personal relationship. The written letter is dead - but if Jesus wants to speak to me, I am listening.


In the end there's only one you'll have to answer to and that's God. Who I keep company with, or who I am will have bearing on what happens to you.

Romans 14:12
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Is it possible that you missed a "not" in the last sentence?
 
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10th April 2003 at 01:49 AM Freodin said this in Post #21


I´d rather get the treatment Thomas got.


John 20:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.



I am a very old fashioned guy, and rely heavily on personal relationship. The written letter is dead - but if Jesus wants to speak to me, I am listening.



Try calling out to him, maybe he will :) I have to disagree on the Written letter being dead, I find to be very much alive myself. And following Jesus is all about having a personal relationship with Him. But in order to experience that personal relationship with Him you must call out to him and seek it first.


Is it possible that you missed a "not" in the last sentence?


Yes highly possible! Sorry that should have read....

In the end there's only one you'll have to answer to and that's God. Who I keep company with, or who I am will have no bearing on what happens to you.
 
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Today at 01:45 AM GraftMeIn said this in Post #22



John 20:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

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And now does that mean that Thomas was not blessed? That he was less blessed than the others? That Jesus knew from the start that Thomas would not bet blessed, but used him to be able to make this clever line?

No, thanks, I rather sacrifice some blessing for a little evidence.


Try calling out to him, maybe he will :) I have to disagree on the Written letter being dead, I find to be very much alive myself. And following Jesus is all about having a personal relationship with Him. But in order to experience that personal relationship with Him you must call out to him and seek it first.
Why do you assume I never called him? Oh, I know: you must assume that. So let me assure you: I did, and never recieved any answer.

And now, before you state that I may have done it wrong. Yes, that may be.
But I don´t know how to do it "right" - and until know no-one could tell me.



Yes highly possible! Sorry that should have read....

In the end there's only one you'll have to answer to and that's God. Who I keep company with, or who I am will have no bearing on what happens to you.
Now it is correct - but not completly true. It is almost impossible to "convert" or influence an happy Atheist towards Christianity: everything I can see you have, I have as well - but the opposite is very well possible.
 
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Today at 06:51 AM Freodin said this in Post #23

And now does that mean that Thomas was not blessed? That he was less blessed than the others? That Jesus knew from the start that Thomas would not bet blessed, but used him to be able to make this clever line?


No that does not mean that Thomas was any more, or any less blessed than others. Thomas saw and believed, along with many others. I find no reason to assume they were not blessed. Jesus was saying that those of us who believe without seeing would be blessed, but in no way does that mean those who saw weren't blessed.

As you can see here it was what the other disciples told Thomas that he was doubting.

John 20:24-25
But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

And look what happened after. You can see that Jesus knew just what Thomas had said.

John 20:26-28
And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Thomas knew it was him just by the words Jesus spoke to him.

John 20:
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.



No, thanks, I rather sacrifice some blessing for a little evidence.


The evidence you seek is in the blessings we recieve.


Why do you assume I never called him? Oh, I know: you must assume that. So let me assure you: I did, and never recieved any answer.


Yes I did assume that, since it's hard to call on Him if you don't believe. But since you say you have called on Him before this tells me there must be part of you that does believe. I think sometimes we make the mistake of looking for a specific answer, instead of seeing the answer God gives us.


And now, before you state that I may have done it wrong. Yes, that may be.
But I don´t know how to do it "right" - and until know no-one could tell me.


I wont say you did anything wrong. But I will say the prayer must come from the heart, we must want to get to know him in a personal way. I tried for years to follow Jesus by what others told me I needed to do. But I never had that personal relationship with him until I sought him out myself through His Word, with prayer, and seeking forgiveness, and understanding.


Now it is correct - but not completly true. It is almost impossible to "convert" or influence an happy Atheist towards Christianity: everything I can see you have, I have as well - but the opposite is very well possible.


The things God does for me can't be seen with the eye. But they can certainly be felt with the heart, and the peace. love, and comfort He brings me goes far beyond what any words can ever describe.
 
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Knowing Jesus is the best part.  Everlasting Life is icing on the cake.

Freodin,

I've been somewhat in your shoes before.  It wasn't until I got really mad one afternoon many years ago that He spoke to me and made Himself real to me that day and ever since for that matter.  I was searching but it wasn't a casual search.  If you really want to know Him, He will reveal Himself to you.

Let me give you an illustration.  I was driving along a road one day and came upon a man who said that the bridge up ahead was out.  The road was wide enough to see that what He was saying was true.  This man told me of another way to go and so I went with Him and checked it out.  Sure enough there was another Bridge that I never would have seen.  I saw that the bridge was somewhat narrow but nontheless passible.  I went back to warn people at the beginning of the road that led to where the bridge was out and told them to go the other way.  Many perished because they came up on the bridge that was out to quickly and couldn't stop.  Those who went ahead and didn't believe me about the other way crashed and burned to death.

So it will be with you my friend.  We're telling you that Life will suddenly come to an end and where will you go?  There will be no stopping and going back.  Is it really worth your eternal soul to doubt that what we are telling you is true?  There is everlasting life across the bridge we point out.  The Bridge is Jesus.  He is the Way to everlasting life.  The road your on is wide but will end in everlasting death.  There is no way out and no second chances.  You will go to a place called Hell where you will look back on these words and wished you would have listened and believed.  It's not to late.  Now is the day for your salvation.  Respond now to the call of Jesus, let him show you the way to eternal and everlasting Life.  You say you want to Hear His voice?  He speaks though us to you.  When you receive Him He will speak to you directly.  We are His sheep we know His voice.  Repent and turn away from your sins and ask Jesus into your heart.  You will then be one of the Sheep that Hear His voice.
 
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Yesterday at 05:45 PM Gerry said this in Post #24

I wonder why the need to hijack a thread with ceaseless debate. This is not even a debate forum.


I agree with Gerry

*Mod hat on*

Stop debating – if you feel you want to continue this debate start a similar topic in one of the forum that allows it.

**Mod hat off**
 
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I cannot accept any apology for any one's part in anything, since there is no apology due me. What I posted in post #24 was directed to Freodin and prompted by a private exchange of messages and it was an error on my part to post that.

I have seen no debate here, only objections raised and answered with what I consider an anointing. It is regretable my thoughtless actions are responsible for bringing to an end what God has blessed.
 
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It's not your fault Gerry :hug:

Truth is these forums aren't designed for leading others to Christ. If you wish to do that you must go to where the ones who aren't truly seeking to know Jesus but only wish to spit in his face by mocking His Word will quickly gather around you and try to confuse not only you but the one you're trying to lead to Jesus.

You had every right to object to debating, it's not allowed here. And I shouldn't have enticed Freodin into further conversation here.
 
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But the point you were making, which is good and valid is that Christianity is a faith based religion. To know Jesus is not a matter of head knowledge but rarther heart knowledge.

I have talked to many atheists and I don't recall talking to a single one that did not know something about Jesus. In fact many know a GREAT deal about Jesus. But that is no more than knowing a great deal about you. One may know GMI is a member of this board and from your posts may know what part of the country you live in, and that you are a Christian. One may also know you are evangelical and wish to lead others to a saving knowledge of Jesus. From what is written above your avatar people may have noticed that you are a Master Gardner turned Master's Gardner. And there may even be a great deal more people on this board may know about you, but that is not knowing you personally. That is not having a relationship with you. That is all just head knowledge.

Freodin, like all atheists seek "evidence" or proof of God. But in a FAITH based religion, faith IS the evidence.

Hebrews 11:1: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." It is by God's grace and THROUGH this faith that we are indeed saved.

But verse 6 is the key to why atheists are not given the proof they seek.

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Or as Phillips translated it: "And without faith it is impossible to please him. The man who approaches God must have faith in two things, first that God exists and secondly that it is worth a man's while to try to find God."

So therein lies the dilemma. Unless you believe that God exists, you can receive no proof. It is like the old addage, "the proof of the pudding is in the eating".

That is why I do not understand why Christians go to the apologetics forum and engage in endless attempts to prove God exists to people who reject the idea altogether. Until one believes God exists he will receive NO proof. Until one exercises his God given faith, there IS no proof! Until one actually believes that a car is sitting in his driveway, he will not have the proof of driving it to the store. The belief (faith) comes first, then the proof.

And until we, as Christians demonstrate the power of God in our lives, atheists, as Freodin said, will continue to believe they have everything we have. And indeed they may, with the exception of Jesus, and until they have Jesus, they have nothing that will last.
 
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Today at 01:13 AM Gerry said this in Post #32


But verse 6 is the key to why atheists are not given the proof they seek.

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."


This scripture realy speaks to me and says alot. I knew all about Jesus growing up. I never doubted that God existed. And I didn't do much to walk in His ways since I grew weary of trying to do what everyone told me I needed to. I did try to trick myself into thinking that maybe God didn't exist as an excuse to walk in the ways of the world at one time. But then at some point God started tugging on my heart strings. I wanted to know him, not just about him. I needed to know the truth, and only He could show it to me. I had to do just what the scripture says in order to get to know him, and that was to diligently seek him.



So therein lies the dilemma. Unless you believe that God exists, you can receive no proof. It is like the old addage, "the proof of the pudding is in the eating".


Ah yes!

One must eat of the bread, and drink of the wine.
Before they can experience the fullness of it's flavour.

The bread is the Word of God, this is the bread of life. The wine is of the Holy Spirit, only obtainable through Christ and the blood he shed for us.
 
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Today at 02:40 AM Freodin said this in Post #33

GraftMeIn, it is rather me who should apologize for derailing this thread. I simply cannot keep my big mouth closed.

Guess we both share the same weakness. Kind of funny in way. Not sure you'll understand this, or even find the humor in it. But I have to share it anyway.

I was at my Moms last week we were listening to a sermon on the radio. They mentioned something about how Christians need to share their weaknessess with one another. I immidiatly blurted out my weakness is chocolate want to share some :yum: O.K. so that's not what they were refering to but I just couldn't resist.

Now since Gerry mentioned my avatar, I guess in a way my avatar is physical evidence of Gods love. But you would have to accept my word about how I received it. I'm not sure you would be willing to do that, you may just think I'm crazy but you can read about how God gave me that smiley face pictured in my avatar if you wish to do so. just go to my gallery and follow the link from the avatar uploaded there. I know you can't post in that section but I'm sure no one will mind if you read what's there.

Again feel free to PM me anytime if you have any questions about getting to know Jesus personaly.
 
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Now it is correct - but not completly true. It is almost impossible to "convert" or influence an happy Atheist towards Christianity: everything I can see you have, I have as well - but the opposite is very well possible.

Matthew 5:45: "That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

We all get the rain, but eternal life is reserved for those who love Him!
 
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