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How does the idea that most of Gods creation he will have to burn forever bring glory to God?

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I believe 1 Cor 15:28 that in the end " God will be all in all " it will happen, how it will all work out I do not know, but I know God is love and he does not do abandonment.
Corinthians is addressed to those in Christ who definitely will not be abandoned.

God is just also (2 Th 1:6, 8-10, Dt 32:4, Ps 89:14), and when he judges he will oblige all to agree with it (Php 2:10).
 
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I believe 1 Cor 15:28 that in the end " God will be all in all " it will happen, how it will all work out I do not know, but I know God is love and he does not do abandonment.
Demons too? All I can say is WOW .
 
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What "issue" does the NT raise regarding eternal torment presented by Jesus in Mt 25:46
Torment? In what translation is "torment" used. The common English translation is "punishment", for which being annihilated and never having existed (would describe perfectly. "

Matthew 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

If God never knew you, you never existed at all, ever, eternally.

, as well as by John in Rev 14:11?
Taking apocalyptic literature literally is a risky basis for dogma. And I agree with Martin Luther's opinion of the Revelation. "

" My spirit cannot accommodate itself to this book. For me this is reason enough not to think highly of it: Christ is neither taught nor known in it. But to teach Christ, this is the thing which an apostle is bound above all else to do; as Christ says in Acts 1[:8], “You shall be my witnesses.” Therefore I stick to the books which present Christ to me clearly and purely. https://www.universitylutheran.church/luther-on-revelation.htm
Jesus is the only one in the NT to speak (Mt 25:46, Mk 9:42-48) of hell (Gehenna).
We did not know it until he revealed it.
Where the condemned are destroyed.

Matthew 10:28
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Oh, but it doesn't really mean "destroy", right? Bosh, it says what it says.
Plus, there's no eternal life in hell. The wages of sin is death. Eternal life is the gift of God, not a wat of keeping oine alive to be tortured more. The damnationist doctrine of eternal life in hell makes a mockery of the gift of God to the redeemed.
 
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I wasn't making a point, I was asking questions in response to someone else's point in the hope that they would clarify their point.
I found the notion that St. Paul wasn't made to do anything against his will seems to ignore the fact that God knocked him down in the road, struck him blind, and denounced Paul for persecuting Him kind of belies the notion that Paul was right in sync with God's will from start to finish. <Laugh>
 
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Yeah, O mean, not even God can redeem a demon. I mean, He didn't even create them... oh, wait...
He could if He wanted to. Not sure if you are saying that God didn't create demons, or if those little words, " oh wait" show that you believe He did create them.
 
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What "issue" does the NT raise regarding eternal torment presented by Jesus in Mt 25:46, as well as by John in Rev 14:11?

Jesus is the only one in the NT to speak (Mt 25:46, Mk 9:42-48) of hell (Gehenna).
We did not know it until he revealed it.
If you believe that "hell" was not revealed till Jesus, why would God let all of humanity up till Jesus not know that if they did not follow Jesus they would burn forever? Eternal hell is no place in the old Testament at all, that sounds kind of cruel of God not telling them they would burn forever and not just that their mortal body would die as was told to Adam.
 
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Torment? In what translation is "torment" used. The common English translation is "punishment", for which being annihilated and never having existed would describe perfectly. "
"Torment" (basanos) is found in Lk 16:23, 28.

"Punishment" (kolasis) is found in 1 Jn 4:18.
Matthew 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

If God never knew you, you never existed at all, ever, eternally.
I guess Jesus got it wrong when he said, "Many will say to me on that day. . .Then I will tell them plainly. . ." (Mt 7:22-23)
Where the condemned are destroyed.
Matthew 10:28
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Oh, but it doesn't really mean "destroy", right?
In the Greek, destroy (apollumi) means ruin, loss of well-being; e.g.,
Lk 5:37 - marring of wine skins,
Lk 15:4, 6 - lost sheep,
Lk 15:4 - lost son,
Jn 6:27 - perishing food,
1 Pe 1:7 - perishing gold,
Mt 2:13, 27:20, 8:25, 22:7 - persons' loss of well being.
 
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If you believe that "hell" was not revealed till Jesus, why would God let all of humanity up till Jesus not know that if they did not follow Jesus they would burn forever? Eternal hell is no place in the old Testament at all, that sounds kind of cruel of God not telling them they would burn forever and not just that their mortal body would die as was told to Adam.
You'll have to take that up with God. . .it's above my pay grade.
 
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