The 2024 Election, the Hegelian Dialectic

I love Walter Veith. He's not afraid to speak the truth

."We cannot with safety vote for political parties; for we do not know whom we are voting for. We cannot with safety take part in any political schemes. We cannot labor to please men who will use their influence to repress religious liberty. The people of God are not to vote to place such men in office; for when they do this, they are partakers with them of the sins which they commit while in office." (Fundamentals of Christian Education, p. 475)

reddogs said:

No matter which side takes power, it seems the devil is behind pushing them toward the path

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Both Babylon and Persia had pagan kings who acted in accordance with God's will for Israel, even though they were not born-again Christians.

In the complex events of Earth -- Satan would like to use all sides - but he has an agenda that is hard to miss. For example Hitler during WWII -- not a good guy, and he had bad plans. But if we look at the Allied powers not all in charge were born-again saints.

Still that does not mean that God was neutral, that the side of good was too hard to see.

Same is true in the civil war where the North had some very flawed actors in leadership and mixed motives - but the greater-good of abolishing slavery was "easy to see" none-the-less.

Does that mean that nothing bad was done by America after that? Certainly not but we take the wins that come along in answer to prayer - all the same

Terri Dactyl said:

."We cannot with safety vote for political parties; for we do not know whom we are voting for. We cannot with safety take part in any political schemes. We cannot labor to please men who will use their influence to repress religious liberty. The people of God are not to vote to place such men in office; for when they do this, they are partakers with them of the sins which they commit while in office." (Fundamentals of Christian Education, p. 475)

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"There is a cause for the moral paralysis upon society. Our laws sustain an evil which is sapping their very foundations. Many deplore the wrongs which they know exist, but consider themselves free from all responsibility in the matter. This cannot be. Every individual exerts an influence in society. In our favored land, every voter has some voice in determining what laws shall control the nation. Should not that influence and that vote be cast on the side of temperance and virtue? {RH November 8, 1881, par. 9}


"Attended meeting in the eve. Had quite a free, interesting meeting. After it was time to close, the subject of voting was considered and dwelt upon. James first talked, then Brother [J. N.] Andrews talked, and it was thought by them best to give their influence in favor of right and against wrong. They think it right to vote in favor of temperance men being in office in our city instead of by their silence running the risk of having intemperate men put in office. Brother [David] Hewitt tells his experience of a few days [since] and is settled that [it] is right to cast his vote. Brother [Josiah] Hart talks well. Brother [Henry] Lyon opposes. No others object to voting, but Brother [J.P.] Kellogg begins to feel that it is right. Pleasant feelings exist among all the brethren. O that they may all act in the fear of God. {2SM 337.2}

"Men of intemperance have been in the office today in a flattering manner expressing their approbation of the course of the Sabbathkeepers not voting and expressed hopes that they will stick to their course and, like the Quakers, not cast their vote. Satan and his evil angels are busy at this time, and he has workers upon the earth. May Satan be disappointed, is my prayer.—E. G. White diary, Sunday, March 6, 1859. {2SM 337.3}

"The advocates of temperance fail to do their whole duty unless they exert their influence by precept and example—by voice and pen and vote—in favor of prohibition and total abstinence.—Gospel Workers, 387, 388.


"'Shall we vote for prohibition?' she asked. 'Yes, to a man,
everywhere,' she replied, 'and perhaps I shall shock some of you if I say,
If necessary, vote on the Sabbath day for prohibition if you cannot at any
other time."'--Ibid. {3BIO 160.1}

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If that is the seriousness of being sure to vote on a matter such as "The right to sell alcohol in your stored" -- then what about :
"the right to kill babies"?

How do the issues of "the Biblical standard for gender and for marriage" compare to the issue of allowing alcohol sales?

reddogs said:

The thing is that this President if you remember claims to have been 'sent on a mission by God' after the assassination attempt

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No doubt.

But that is not a claim to be a prophet or a pastor. Many business men argue that God has blessed them or helped them or given them skill or insight etc. That does not make them a pastor.

reddogs said:

, and has set himself up with a cabinet

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A lot of Presidents had a cabinet.

reddogs said:

that is mostly the Popes minions and has much the same at the Supreme Court.

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No doubt many Catholics are in Congress, the Senate and even Biden himself was Catholic. That does not change the rules as far as I can see.

reddogs said:

So there is nothing standing in his way of opposition, much like the leaders of Nazism and Communism who led the world into a world war which morphed into a cold war and now we see the makings of a third world war, so the Hegelian Dialectic has been used by what can only be the prince of this world to bring about his purposes, the chaos and terror to do his work of destruction and sweep aside the things of God.

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No doubt that in all administrations -- Satan is still alive and active. IN 2 Cor 4:4 Satan is called "the god of this world"

Goldstein points out that Ellen White strongly affirmed the WCTU - Women's Christian Temperance Union's opposition to the sale of alchohol and joined with them in their gatherings - yet also agreed with SDAs who said that the WCTU was also pushing for Sunday Laws and Adventists did not favor such laws. We were told then to stand with them when they are promoting a good cause and then we will be noted "by our absence" when they get behind a bad one.