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Does the Bible command Christians to support the State of Israel?

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However, God has blessed Israel in modern times. What God has blessed, we should support. We should not support what they do that is not right, but we should support what God has blessed.

Romans 11:11 clearly said that Israel has fallen in the eyes of God, so that salvation is now given freely to the entire world, gentile and Jews.

So your premise "God has blessed Israel in modern times" is as correct as saying "God has blessed USA in modern times" etc
 
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Please see post #57.

Alright, as best as I can tell the following is the central point you wanted to communicate in that post:

These serve as witnesses to the world that God is preparing the world stage for His Son’s return.”

My short response and answer to that is I disagree.

The longer response would be to point out that according to Scripture, according to Jesus Himself, His return doesn't come with signs--He returns suddenly, without warning. Consistently Scripture speaks of Christ's return as unknowable. The Lord will return when He returns, and not a moment sooner. Whatever's happening in the Middle East or anywhere else is irrelevant as far as the Lord's return is concerned.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Alright, as best as I can tell the following is the central point you wanted to communicate in that post:



My short response and answer to that is I disagree.

The longer response would be to point out that according to Scripture, according to Jesus Himself, His return doesn't come with signs--He returns suddenly, without warning. Consistently Scripture speaks of Christ's return as unknowable. The Lord will return when He returns, and not a moment sooner. Whatever's happening in the Middle East or anywhere else is irrelevant as far as the Lord's return is concerned.

-CryptoLutheran
Of course, Jesus could come back tomorrow or in one hundred years. However, Matthew 16: 2 and 3 would indicate that we should be able to see the trends of the times. It is interesting that Jesus used predicting weather, and we still often get it wrong.

Since I value the Old Testament nearly as much as the New Testament, we will probably continue to disagree. Here are two verses that I believe are still valid today: Ezekiel 37:21 and Zechariah 2:8.
 
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Of course, Jesus could come back tomorrow or in one hundred years. However, Matthew 16: 2 and 3 would indicate that we should be able to see the trends of the times. It is interesting that Jesus used predicting weather, and we still often get it wrong.

Since I value the Old Testament nearly as much as the New Testament, we will probably continue to disagree. Here are two verses that I believe are still valid today: Ezekiel 37:21 and Zechariah 2:8.
Both of those verses were fulfilled.
 
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Both of those verses were fulfilled.
I think it also being fulfilled today. Just like Revelation was both the fall of Israel in 70 AD and at the end of times. Your response is what I expected.
 
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I think it also being fulfilled today. Just like Revelation was both the fall of Israel in 70 AD and at the end of times. Your response is what I expected.
I'm not a full preterist, but neither is full futurist correct. Yes, there are SOME prophesies that are dual or multiple.. and there are some, like many "Millenial" that were conditional. Point is, you can't broad brush prophesy.. all tribes were present when Pentecost happened, they were gathered from the nations. 70 AD was a finality. God's 'Holy Nation" became spiritual (as it really always was) and "flesh" became a non issue.
 
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70 AD was a finality. God's 'Holy Nation" became spiritual (as it really always was) and "flesh" became a non issue.

If the beast and the false prophet did not appear in 70AD, it was not a finality to anyone in Israel.
 
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If the beast and the false prophet did not appear in 70AD, it was not a finality to anyone in Israel.
A million people died in 70 AD probably the equivalent of a billion now, and the artist formerly known as the "nation of Israel" was extirpated from the earth... like dust that had had never existed. It's about as much of a Sodom and Gomorrah statement that's ever been made by God.
 
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A million people died in 70 AD probably the equivalent of a billion now, and the artist formerly known as the "nation of Israel" was extirpated from the earth... like dust that had had never existed. It's about as much of a Sodom and Gomorrah statement that's ever been made by God.

So the beast and false prophet are nobodies to you?
 
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So the beast and false prophet are nobodies to you?
I think the Apocalyptic nature of John's Revelation is exceedingly difficult to parse. I think it's mixed heavily with Millennial prophesies that were conditional to Israel's obedience... which didn't happen. And similarly to how much of the OT Millennial prophesy Became the Church's reality, so also much of Rev's. Combined with the fact you have world players pretending to be who they aren't, and certain theologies propping that up.. It makes for a situation that for any 'theologian' puffing their chest out with a dry erase board telling they're %100, is yankin' your chain. "Headline eschatology" is a cancer, and the Church has a bad case.
 
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I think the Apocalyptic nature of John's Revelation is exceedingly difficult to parse. I think it's mixed heavily with Millennial prophesies that were conditional to Israel's obedience... which didn't happen. And similarly to how much of the OT Millennial prophesy Became the Church's reality, so also much of Rev's. Combined with the fact you have world players pretending to be who they aren't, and certain theologies propping that up.. It makes for a situation that for any 'theologian' puffing their chest out with a dry erase board telling they're %100, is yankin' your chain. "Headline eschatology" is a cancer, and the Church has a bad case.

So even though you have no idea who they were at AD 70, you can still conclude that Israel reached a finality then.
 
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So even though you have no idea who they were at AD 70, you can still conclude that Israel reached a finality then.
Again, we can't have a real discussion on this because you won't even acknowledge who "Israel" is. But hint, it isn't the descendants of Turkic Huns that Converted to Talmudism in 800AD, which doesn't even matter because scripture clearly, and I mean painfully Clearly states that "flesh" is a ZERO factor in it anyway. So, if flesh is zero... what's left? Clearly it isn't the 'religion' because they are diametrically opposed, In Fact.. it's the VERY SAME Babylonian "religion" that was vomited from the land. But now, God's like "Just kidding.. c'mon back guys" this time you get "special revelation", a "special salvation" that 2 Millennia of you 'brethren were denied and so died in their sin. Scripture spells it out A B C.. 1 2 3.. so simply, Abraham was promised that land and the Whole World, Jesus inherited it and thus, do WE. God decreed that land remain fallow, NO NATIONS.. because we are not to lay our claim in the interest of peace. This "dispensation" as you guys like to say is the time of GRACE. The Gospel is to be preached and the "nation" people are to join is the actual Holy Nation, and it's not of this world.. Yet.
 
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Again, we can't have a real discussion on this because you won't even acknowledge who "Israel" is.

I actually asked you a very simple question, "Who were the beast and the false prophet at AD 70?"

If you don't know or don't wish to answer, just say so.
 
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Since Israel became a nation again in 1948 they have allied themselves to the US. For many years they were the only ally that we had in the area. I’m going to support them from that perspective.
 
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Who is the remnant of Israel and when will they be saved?

“Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the sons of Israel be like the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved; for the Lord will execute His word on the earth, thoroughly and quickly.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9‬:‭27‬-‭28‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
 
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I actually asked you a very simple question, "Who were the beast and the false prophet at AD 70?"

If you don't know or don't wish to answer, just say so.
No, you asked if "I thought they are nobodies".. and you're going on the assumption I'm a full preterist, which I'm not. So, I don't claim "Everything" was fulfilled in 70AD. What I do claim, are the scriptures that speak of Who is the true Inheritor of the promises of Abraham, and it's verbatim Jesus. Would you agree with that?
 
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Since Israel became a nation again in 1948 they have allied themselves to the US. For many years they were the only ally that we had in the area. I’m going to support them from that perspective.

But not because the Bible commands you, would you agree?
 
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But not because the Bible commands you, would you agree?
The Bible talks about a remnant that God will save in the end of times (Roman 9 and Rev. 12). No one knows where that remnant is. It could be within present Israel or it might not. I support Israel primarily from a secular perspective but I leave my biblical options open.
 
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The Bible talks about a remnant that God will save in the end of times (Roman 9 and Rev. 12). No one knows where that remnant is. It could be within present Israel or it might not. I support Israel primarily from a secular perspective but I leave my biblical options open.

Well, if you are supporting the current Israel because you think God will bless you if you do and curse you if you don't, then that is wrong theology.
 
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